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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>, Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, riel@surriel.com, shakeel.butt@linux.dev,
	roman.gushchin@linux.dev, baohua@kernel.org,
	ryan.roberts@arm.com, rppt@kernel.org, willy@infradead.org,
	cerasuolodomenico@gmail.com, corbet@lwn.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] mm: split underutilized THPs
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2024 17:47:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aea333fb-44ab-41eb-9060-472b08e3010d@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOUHufb7z13u51VCTGZMimoCXpmfT5AOAbrUpAvJjTx5+AXwew@mail.gmail.com>

On 01.08.24 08:09, Yu Zhao wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 6:54 AM Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The current upstream default policy for THP is always. However, Meta
>> uses madvise in production as the current THP=always policy vastly
>> overprovisions THPs in sparsely accessed memory areas, resulting in
>> excessive memory pressure and premature OOM killing.
>> Using madvise + relying on khugepaged has certain drawbacks over
>> THP=always. Using madvise hints mean THPs aren't "transparent" and
>> require userspace changes. Waiting for khugepaged to scan memory and
>> collapse pages into THP can be slow and unpredictable in terms of performance
>> (i.e. you dont know when the collapse will happen), while production
>> environments require predictable performance. If there is enough memory
>> available, its better for both performance and predictability to have
>> a THP from fault time, i.e. THP=always rather than wait for khugepaged
>> to collapse it, and deal with sparsely populated THPs when the system is
>> running out of memory.
>>
>> This patch-series is an attempt to mitigate the issue of running out of
>> memory when THP is always enabled. During runtime whenever a THP is being
>> faulted in or collapsed by khugepaged, the THP is added to a list.
>> Whenever memory reclaim happens, the kernel runs the deferred_split
>> shrinker which goes through the list and checks if the THP was underutilized,
>> i.e. how many of the base 4K pages of the entire THP were zero-filled.
>> If this number goes above a certain threshold, the shrinker will attempt
>> to split that THP. Then at remap time, the pages that were zero-filled are
>> not remapped, hence saving memory. This method avoids the downside of
>> wasting memory in areas where THP is sparsely filled when THP is always
>> enabled, while still providing the upside THPs like reduced TLB misses without
>> having to use madvise.
>>
>> Meta production workloads that were CPU bound (>99% CPU utilzation) were
>> tested with THP shrinker. The results after 2 hours are as follows:
>>
>>                              | THP=madvise |  THP=always   | THP=always
>>                              |             |               | + shrinker series
>>                              |             |               | + max_ptes_none=409
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Performance improvement     |      -      |    +1.8%      |     +1.7%
>> (over THP=madvise)          |             |               |
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Memory usage                |    54.6G    | 58.8G (+7.7%) |   55.9G (+2.4%)
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> max_ptes_none=409 means that any THP that has more than 409 out of 512
>> (80%) zero filled filled pages will be split.
>>
>> To test out the patches, the below commands without the shrinker will
>> invoke OOM killer immediately and kill stress, but will not fail with
>> the shrinker:
>>
>> echo 450 > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/khugepaged/max_ptes_none
>> mkdir /sys/fs/cgroup/test
>> echo $$ > /sys/fs/cgroup/test/cgroup.procs
>> echo 20M > /sys/fs/cgroup/test/memory.max
>> echo 0 > /sys/fs/cgroup/test/memory.swap.max
>> # allocate twice memory.max for each stress worker and touch 40/512 of
>> # each THP, i.e. vm-stride 50K.
>> # With the shrinker, max_ptes_none of 470 and below won't invoke OOM
>> # killer.
>> # Without the shrinker, OOM killer is invoked immediately irrespective
>> # of max_ptes_none value and kill stress.
>> stress --vm 1 --vm-bytes 40M --vm-stride 50K
>>
>> Patches 1-2 add back helper functions that were previously removed
>> to operate on page lists (needed by patch 3).
>> Patch 3 is an optimization to free zapped tail pages rather than
>> waiting for page reclaim or migration.
>> Patch 4 is a prerequisite for THP shrinker to not remap zero-filled
>> subpages when splitting THP.
>> Patches 6 adds support for THP shrinker.
>>
>> (This patch-series restarts the work on having a THP shrinker in kernel
>> originally done in
>> https://lore.kernel.org/all/cover.1667454613.git.alexlzhu@fb.com/.
>> The THP shrinker in this series is significantly different than the
>> original one, hence its labelled v1 (although the prerequisite to not
>> remap clean subpages is the same).)
>>
>> Alexander Zhu (1):
>>    mm: add selftests to split_huge_page() to verify unmap/zap of zero
>>      pages
>>
>> Usama Arif (3):
>>    Revert "memcg: remove mem_cgroup_uncharge_list()"
>>    Revert "mm: remove free_unref_page_list()"
>>    mm: split underutilized THPs
>>
>> Yu Zhao (2):
>>    mm: free zapped tail pages when splitting isolated thp
>>    mm: don't remap unused subpages when splitting isolated thp
> 
>   I would recommend shatter [1] instead of splitting so that
> 1) whoever underutilized their THPs get punished for the overhead;
> 2) underutilized THPs are kept intact and can be reused by others.
> 
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/20240229183436.4110845-3-yuzhao@google.com/
> 

Do you have any plans to upstream the shattering also during "ordinary" 
deferred splitting?

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-01 15:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-30 12:45 [PATCH 0/6] mm: split underutilized THPs Usama Arif
2024-07-30 12:45 ` [PATCH 1/6] Revert "memcg: remove mem_cgroup_uncharge_list()" Usama Arif
2024-07-30 12:45 ` [PATCH 2/6] Revert "mm: remove free_unref_page_list()" Usama Arif
2024-07-30 12:46 ` [PATCH 3/6] mm: free zapped tail pages when splitting isolated thp Usama Arif
2024-07-30 15:14   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-04 19:02     ` Usama Arif
2024-08-05  9:00       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-06  9:58         ` Usama Arif
2024-07-30 12:46 ` [PATCH 4/6] mm: don't remap unused subpages " Usama Arif
2024-07-30 18:07   ` Rik van Riel
2024-07-31 17:08     ` Usama Arif
2024-07-30 12:46 ` [PATCH 5/6] mm: add selftests to split_huge_page() to verify unmap/zap of zero pages Usama Arif
2024-07-30 18:10   ` Rik van Riel
2024-08-01  4:45   ` kernel test robot
2024-07-30 12:46 ` [PATCH 6/6] mm: split underutilized THPs Usama Arif
2024-07-30 13:59   ` Randy Dunlap
2024-07-30 14:35 ` [PATCH 0/6] " David Hildenbrand
2024-07-30 15:14   ` Usama Arif
2024-07-30 15:19     ` Usama Arif
2024-07-30 16:11       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-30 17:22         ` Usama Arif
2024-07-30 20:25           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-31 17:01             ` Usama Arif
2024-07-31 17:51               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-31 20:41                 ` Usama Arif
2024-08-01  6:36                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-04 23:04                     ` Usama Arif
     [not found]                     ` <20240806172830.GD322282@cmpxchg.org>
2024-08-06 17:33                       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-01  6:09 ` Yu Zhao
2024-08-01 15:47   ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2024-08-04 21:54     ` Yu Zhao
2024-08-05  1:32       ` Rik van Riel
2024-08-05 19:51         ` Yu Zhao
2024-08-01 16:22   ` Usama Arif
2024-08-01 16:27     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-04 19:10       ` Usama Arif
2024-08-04 23:32       ` Yu Zhao
2024-08-04 23:23     ` Yu Zhao
2024-08-06 11:18       ` Usama Arif
2024-08-06 17:38   ` Johannes Weiner

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