From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>, linux-mm@kvack.org
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 07/13] mm: enable lazy_mmu sections to nest
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2025 15:23:39 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <af4414b6-617c-4dc8-bddc-3ea00d1f6f3b@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7a4e136b-66a5-4244-ab07-f0bcc3a26a83@arm.com>
>>> + * currently enabled.
>>> */
>>> #ifdef CONFIG_ARCH_LAZY_MMU
>>> static inline void lazy_mmu_mode_enable(void)
>>> {
>>> - arch_enter_lazy_mmu_mode();
>>> + struct lazy_mmu_state *state = ¤t->lazy_mmu_state;
>>> +
>>> + VM_BUG_ON(state->count == U8_MAX);
>>
>> No VM_BUG_ON() please.
>
> I did wonder if this would be acceptable!
Use VM_WARN_ON_ONCE() and let early testing find any such issues.
VM_* is active in debug kernels only either way! :)
If you'd want to handle this in production kernels you'd need
if (WARN_ON_ONCE()) {
/* Try to recover */
}
And that seems unnecessary/overly-complicated for something that should
never happen, and if it happens, can be found early during testing.
>
> What should we do in case of underflow/overflow then? Saturate or just
> let it wrap around? If an overflow occurs we're probably in some
> infinite recursion and we'll crash anyway, but an underflow is likely
> due to a double disable() and saturating would probably allow to recover.
>
>>
>>> + /* enable() must not be called while paused */
>>> + VM_WARN_ON(state->count > 0 && !state->enabled);
>>> +
>>> + if (state->count == 0) {
>>> + arch_enter_lazy_mmu_mode();
>>> + state->enabled = true;
>>> + }
>>> + ++state->count;
>>
>> Can do
>>
>> if (state->count++ == 0) {
>
> My idea here was to have exactly the reverse order between enable() and
> disable(), so that arch_enter() is called before lazy_mmu_state is
> updated, and arch_leave() afterwards. arch_* probably shouldn't rely on
> this (or care), but I liked the symmetry.
I see, but really the arch callback should never have to care about that
value -- unless something is messed up :)
[...]
>>> +static inline bool in_lazy_mmu_mode(void)
>>
>> So these functions will reveal the actual arch state, not whether
>> _enabled() was called.
>>
>> As I can see in later patches, in interrupt context they are also
>> return "not in lazy mmu mode".
>
> Yes - the idea is that a task is in lazy MMU mode if it enabled it and
> is in process context. The mode is never enabled in interrupt context.
> This has always been the intention, but it wasn't formalised until patch
> 12 (except on arm64).
Okay, thanks for clarifying.
--
Cheers
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-24 13:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-15 8:27 [PATCH v3 00/13] Nesting support for lazy MMU mode Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 01/13] powerpc/64s: Do not re-activate batched TLB flush Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 02/13] x86/xen: simplify flush_lazy_mmu() Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 16:52 ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-16 7:32 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 03/13] powerpc/mm: implement arch_flush_lazy_mmu_mode() Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 19:36 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 12:09 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-24 14:42 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 14:54 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 04/13] sparc/mm: " Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 19:37 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 05/13] mm: introduce CONFIG_ARCH_LAZY_MMU Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-18 9:52 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-10-20 10:37 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 19:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 06/13] mm: introduce generic lazy_mmu helpers Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-17 15:54 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-10-20 10:32 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 19:52 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 12:13 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-24 13:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 14:32 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-27 16:24 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 10:34 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 07/13] mm: enable lazy_mmu sections to nest Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 20:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 12:16 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-24 13:23 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-10-24 14:33 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 08/13] arm64: mm: replace TIF_LAZY_MMU with in_lazy_mmu_mode() Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 09/13] powerpc/mm: replace batch->active " Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 20:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 12:16 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 10/13] sparc/mm: " Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 20:03 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 11/13] x86/xen: use lazy_mmu_state when context-switching Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 20:06 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 14:47 ` David Woodhouse
2025-10-24 14:51 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 15:13 ` David Woodhouse
2025-10-24 15:16 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 15:38 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-10-24 15:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 15:51 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-10-27 12:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 22:52 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-27 12:29 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-27 13:32 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-24 15:05 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-24 15:17 ` David Woodhouse
2025-10-27 13:38 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 12/13] mm: bail out of lazy_mmu_mode_* in interrupt context Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 20:08 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 12:17 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 13/13] mm: introduce arch_wants_lazy_mmu_mode() Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 20:10 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 12:17 ` Kevin Brodsky
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