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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>, linux-mm@kvack.org
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 07/13] mm: enable lazy_mmu sections to nest
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2025 15:23:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <af4414b6-617c-4dc8-bddc-3ea00d1f6f3b@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7a4e136b-66a5-4244-ab07-f0bcc3a26a83@arm.com>

>>> + * currently enabled.
>>>     */
>>>    #ifdef CONFIG_ARCH_LAZY_MMU
>>>    static inline void lazy_mmu_mode_enable(void)
>>>    {
>>> -    arch_enter_lazy_mmu_mode();
>>> +    struct lazy_mmu_state *state = &current->lazy_mmu_state;
>>> +
>>> +    VM_BUG_ON(state->count == U8_MAX);
>>
>> No VM_BUG_ON() please.
> 
> I did wonder if this would be acceptable!

Use VM_WARN_ON_ONCE() and let early testing find any such issues.

VM_* is active in debug kernels only either way! :)

If you'd want to handle this in production kernels you'd need

if (WARN_ON_ONCE()) {
	/* Try to recover */
}

And that seems unnecessary/overly-complicated for something that should 
never happen, and if it happens, can be found early during testing.

> 
> What should we do in case of underflow/overflow then? Saturate or just
> let it wrap around? If an overflow occurs we're probably in some
> infinite recursion and we'll crash anyway, but an underflow is likely
> due to a double disable() and saturating would probably allow to recover.
> 
>>
>>> +    /* enable() must not be called while paused */
>>> +    VM_WARN_ON(state->count > 0 && !state->enabled);
>>> +
>>> +    if (state->count == 0) {
>>> +        arch_enter_lazy_mmu_mode();
>>> +        state->enabled = true;
>>> +    }
>>> +    ++state->count;
>>
>> Can do
>>
>> if (state->count++ == 0) {
> 
> My idea here was to have exactly the reverse order between enable() and
> disable(), so that arch_enter() is called before lazy_mmu_state is
> updated, and arch_leave() afterwards. arch_* probably shouldn't rely on
> this (or care), but I liked the symmetry.

I see, but really the arch callback should never have to care about that
value -- unless something is messed up :)

[...]

>>> +static inline bool in_lazy_mmu_mode(void)
>>
>> So these functions will reveal the actual arch state, not whether
>> _enabled() was called.
>>
>> As I can see in later patches, in interrupt context they are also
>> return "not in lazy mmu mode".
> 
> Yes - the idea is that a task is in lazy MMU mode if it enabled it and
> is in process context. The mode is never enabled in interrupt context.
> This has always been the intention, but it wasn't formalised until patch
> 12 (except on arm64).

Okay, thanks for clarifying.

-- 
Cheers

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-24 13:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-15  8:27 [PATCH v3 00/13] Nesting support for lazy MMU mode Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15  8:27 ` [PATCH v3 01/13] powerpc/64s: Do not re-activate batched TLB flush Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15  8:27 ` [PATCH v3 02/13] x86/xen: simplify flush_lazy_mmu() Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 16:52   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-16  7:32     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15  8:27 ` [PATCH v3 03/13] powerpc/mm: implement arch_flush_lazy_mmu_mode() Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 19:36   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 12:09     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-24 14:42       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 14:54         ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15  8:27 ` [PATCH v3 04/13] sparc/mm: " Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 19:37   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-15  8:27 ` [PATCH v3 05/13] mm: introduce CONFIG_ARCH_LAZY_MMU Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-18  9:52   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-10-20 10:37     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 19:38       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-15  8:27 ` [PATCH v3 06/13] mm: introduce generic lazy_mmu helpers Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-17 15:54   ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-10-20 10:32     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 19:52   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 12:13     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-24 13:27       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 14:32         ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-27 16:24           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 10:34             ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15  8:27 ` [PATCH v3 07/13] mm: enable lazy_mmu sections to nest Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 20:00   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 12:16     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-24 13:23       ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-10-24 14:33         ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15  8:27 ` [PATCH v3 08/13] arm64: mm: replace TIF_LAZY_MMU with in_lazy_mmu_mode() Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15  8:27 ` [PATCH v3 09/13] powerpc/mm: replace batch->active " Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 20:02   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 12:16     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15  8:27 ` [PATCH v3 10/13] sparc/mm: " Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 20:03   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-15  8:27 ` [PATCH v3 11/13] x86/xen: use lazy_mmu_state when context-switching Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 20:06   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 14:47     ` David Woodhouse
2025-10-24 14:51       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 15:13         ` David Woodhouse
2025-10-24 15:16           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 15:38           ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-10-24 15:47             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 15:51               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-10-27 12:38                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 22:52         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-27 12:29           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-27 13:32             ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-24 15:05       ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-24 15:17         ` David Woodhouse
2025-10-27 13:38           ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15  8:27 ` [PATCH v3 12/13] mm: bail out of lazy_mmu_mode_* in interrupt context Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 20:08   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 12:17     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15  8:27 ` [PATCH v3 13/13] mm: introduce arch_wants_lazy_mmu_mode() Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 20:10   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 12:17     ` Kevin Brodsky

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