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From: Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>
To: "Harry Yoo (Oracle)" <harry@kernel.org>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Hao Li <hao.li@linux.dev>, Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>,
	 David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	 "Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/8] mm/slab: enable runtime sheaves tuning
Date: Mon, 18 May 2026 13:52:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <agr8Nzr8rnDBTuVX@pedro-suse> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260516-sheaves-tuning-v1-0-221aa3e1d829@kernel.org>

On Sat, May 16, 2026 at 01:24:24AM +0900, Harry Yoo (Oracle) wrote:
> Background
> ==========
> 
> Sheaves were introduced in v6.18, and starting from v7.0, they are
> enabled for all slab caches (except for kmem_cache{,_node}). In the
> pre-sheaves era, there was a cpu_partial parameter to tune the number
> of objects cached per CPU. However, sheaves don't have an equivalent
> and the sheaf capacity is determined in the kernel code.

What semantic do you need from this?

> 
> The goal is to allow tuning sheaves at runtime by the next LTS.
> 
> Overview
> ========
> 
> This patchset does two main things:
> 
>   1. Make the sheaf_capacity sysfs attribute writable so that the number
>      of objects cached per CPU can be changed at runtime, and
> 
>   2. Expose MAX_FULL_SHEAVES and MAX_EMPTY_SHEAVES as sysfs attributes
>      rather than constants, so that users can tune them.
> 
> Measuring the performance impact of these tunables is TBD.
> 
> Roughly, the sequence to change sheaf_capacity is as follows:
> 
>   1. Disable sheaves. Make all online CPUs replace their main sheaves
>      with the bootstrap sheaf under local_lock and wait for completion.

This is extremely destabilizing performance-wise, were I to guess.

> 
>   2. Wait for all in-flight RCU callbacks to be processed.

and this too.

>   
>   3. Flush and free all existing sheaves.
> 
>   4. Re-enable sheaves with a new capacity.
> 
> Challenges
> ==========
> 
> 1. Allocations and frees can happen concurrently at any point between
>    these steps, and we cannot introduce heavyweight synchronization
>    mechanisms on the fastpath.
> 
> 2. Currently, cache_has_sheaves() checks whether a cache has sheaves.
>    This works now because sheaves cannot be enabled or disabled once
>    the cache is created.
> 
>    The question "Does this cache has sheaves?" should be split into
>    "Does this cache support sheaves?" and "Does this CPU actually has
>     sheaves enabled right now?".
> 
> 3. Once the sheaf capacity update is complete, no sheaf with stale
>    capacity must remain.

Why? I don't see a huge problem with having multiple sheaves with different
capacities, as long as you adequately, opportunistically kill the sheaves
if they don't have the desired size (say, once a sheaf is fully empty).

-- 
Pedro


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-05-18 11:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-15 16:24 [PATCH RFC 0/8] mm/slab: enable runtime sheaves tuning Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-05-15 16:24 ` [PATCH RFC 1/8] mm/slab: do not store cache pointer in struct slab_sheaf Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-05-19  4:08   ` Hao Li
2026-05-15 16:24 ` [PATCH RFC 2/8] mm/slab: change sheaf_capacity type to unsigned short Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-05-15 16:24 ` [PATCH RFC 3/8] mm/slab: track capacity per sheaf Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-05-15 16:24 ` [PATCH RFC 4/8] mm/slab: allow bootstrap_cache_sheaves() to fail Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-05-15 16:24 ` [PATCH RFC 5/8] mm/slab: rework cache_has_sheaves() to check immutable properties only Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-05-15 16:24 ` [PATCH RFC 6/8] mm/slab: allow changing sheaf_capacity at runtime Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-05-17  8:30   ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-05-18  6:53     ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-05-15 16:24 ` [PATCH RFC 7/8] mm/slab: add pcs->lock lockdep assert when accessing the barn Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-05-15 16:24 ` [PATCH RFC 8/8] mm/slab: allow changing max_{full,empty}_sheaves at runtime Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-05-18 11:52 ` Pedro Falcato [this message]
2026-05-20  4:35   ` [PATCH RFC 0/8] mm/slab: enable runtime sheaves tuning Harry Yoo
2026-06-09 12:52     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-09 13:54       ` Harry Yoo

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