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From: Carlos Llamas <cmllamas@google.com>
To: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
Cc: "Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	"Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
	"Christian Brauner" <christian@brauner.io>,
	"David Ahern" <dsahern@kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, "Lorenzo Stoakes" <ljs@kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, "Shakeel Butt" <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	"Todd Kjos" <tkjos@android.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] binder: Make shrinker rely solely on per-VMA lock
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2026 14:10:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ai62ap9SS3KTpqeR@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aixi-DxMuc0MiGeO@google.com>

On Fri, Jun 12, 2026 at 07:50:16PM +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2026 at 11:47:59AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > On 6/12/26 10:44, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > >> It's not impossible, but I do think it is irrelevant. Or at least that
> > >> the *VMA* is irrelevant in this case. binder_alloc_is_mapped()==false
> > >> means that the binder VMA is gone. It's not in the maple tree, and it's
> > >> not coming back. If a VMA is found, it's an impostor.
> > > Right, but before your change we were bailing out early. With your
> > > change we would be generating the traces and freeing the page. I think
> > > that's a functional change. Was that your intention?
> > 
> > Yeah, it was intentional.
> > 
> > I think the existing behavior is buggy. It also complicates the goal of
> > removing the mmap lock fallback. I've broken that behavior change out
> > into a separate patch. (attached here)
> 
> I think you can just:
> 
> 1. do a lock_vma_under_rcu().
> 2. if it fails, check binder_alloc_is_mapped().
> 3. if still mapped, return LRU_SKIP, otherwise behave like a failed
>    vma_lookup() does today under the mmap read lock.

Right! This is the same suggestion I sent.

...
Also, I would _prefer_ if the commit message was more accurate. The
mmap_lock fallback was there because of "compatibility", as per-vma
locking is technically behind CONFIG_PER_VMA_LOCK. This would be the
only part that IMO describes the actual reason for the change:

> Now that per-VMA locks are universally available, lock_vma_under_rcu()
> will not persistently fail. Rely on it alone and simplify the code.

Cheers,
--
Carlos Llamas


  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-14 14:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-10 23:04 [PATCH v2 0/5] mm: Unconditional per-VMA locks and cleanups Dave Hansen
2026-06-10 23:04 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] mm: Make per-VMA locks available universally Dave Hansen
2026-06-11 19:29   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-12 14:09     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-12 14:12   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-10 23:04 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] binder: Make shrinker rely solely on per-VMA lock Dave Hansen
2026-06-11  7:53   ` Alice Ryhl
2026-06-11 19:59     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-12 15:41       ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-12 16:01         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-12 16:04         ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-12 16:41           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-12 16:54             ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-12 17:07               ` Carlos Llamas
2026-06-12 17:44               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-12 18:47                 ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-12 19:50                   ` Alice Ryhl
2026-06-14 14:10                     ` Carlos Llamas [this message]
2026-06-10 23:04 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] mm: Add RCU-based VMA lookup helper that waits for writers Dave Hansen
2026-06-10 23:40   ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-11 20:35   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-11 21:04     ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-12 18:00   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-10 23:04 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] binder: Remove mmap_lock fallback Dave Hansen
2026-06-11 20:40   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-12 18:07   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-10 23:04 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] tcp: Remove mmap_lock fallback path Dave Hansen
2026-06-11 20:44   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-12 18:13   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-11 20:24 ` [syzbot ci] Re: mm: Unconditional per-VMA locks and cleanups syzbot ci

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