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From: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 19:24:52 -0500 (CDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1009011919110.20518@router.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100901203422.GA19519@csn.ul.ie>

On Wed, 1 Sep 2010, Mel Gorman wrote:

> > > >         if (delta < 0 && abs(delta) > nr_free_pages)
> > > >                 delta = -nr_free_pages;
> >
> > Not sure what the point here is. If the delta is going below zero then
> > there was a concurrent operation updating the counters negatively while
> > we summed up the counters.
>
> The point is if the negative delta is greater than the current value of
> nr_free_pages then nr_free_pages would underflow when delta is applied to it.

Ok. then

	nr_free_pages += delta;
	if (nr_free_pages < 0)
		nr_free_pages = 0;

> > would be correct.
>
> Lets say the reading at the start for nr_free_pages is 120 and the delta is
> -20, then the estimated true value of nr_free_pages is 100. If we used your
> logic, the estimate would be 120. Maybe I'm missing what you're saying.

Well yes the sum of the counter needs to be checked not just the sum of
the deltas. This is the same as the counter determination in vmstat.h

> > See also handling of counter underflow in
> > vmstat.h:zone_page_state().
>
> I'm not seeing the relation. zone_nr_free_pages() is trying to
> reconcile the reading from zone_page_state() with the contents of
> vm_stat_diff[].

Both are determinations of a counter value. The global or zone counters
can also temporarily go below zero due to deferred updates. If
this happens then 0 will be returned(!). zonr_nr_free_pages need to work
in the same way.

> > As I have said before: I would rather have the
> > counter handling in one place to avoid creating differences in counter
> > handling.
> >
>
> And I'd rather not hurt the paths for every counter unnecessarily
> without good cause. I can move zone_nr_free_pages() to mm/vmstat.c if
> you'd prefer?

Generalize it on the way please to work with any counter?


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  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-02  0:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-31 17:37 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V3 Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 17:37 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: page allocator: Update free page counters after pages are placed on the free list Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 18:17   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-01  7:10     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 23:27   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-08-31 17:37 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 18:20   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-31 23:37   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-01  7:24     ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-01  7:33       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-01 20:16         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-01 20:34           ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-02  0:24             ` Christoph Lameter [this message]
2010-09-02  0:26               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-02  0:39                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02  0:54                   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02  0:43   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02  0:49     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-02  8:51     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 17:37 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: page allocator: Drain per-cpu lists after direct reclaim allocation fails Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 18:26   ` Christoph Lameter
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-09-03  9:08 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V4 Mel Gorman
2010-09-03  9:08 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-09-03 22:55   ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-03 23:17     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-03 23:28       ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-04  0:54         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-05 18:12     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23  8:00 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V2 Mel Gorman
2010-08-23  8:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 12:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 13:03     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 13:41       ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 13:55         ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 16:04           ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 16:13             ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-16  9:42 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator Mel Gorman
2010-08-16  9:42 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-08-16  9:43   ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-16 14:47     ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-16 16:06     ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-17  2:26       ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-17 10:42         ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-17 15:01           ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-17 15:05             ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-17 10:16       ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-17 11:05         ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-17 14:20         ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-18  8:51           ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-18 14:57             ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19  8:06               ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 10:33                 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 10:38                   ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 14:01                     ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 14:09                       ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 14:34                         ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:07                           ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 15:22                             ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:40                               ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 15:44                                 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:46     ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 16:06       ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 16:45         ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-18  2:59   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-18 15:55     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-19  0:07       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-19 19:00         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-19 23:49           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki

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