From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org>
Cc: Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>, Hao Jia <jiahao.kernel@gmail.com>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, tj@kernel.org, shakeel.butt@linux.dev,
mhocko@kernel.org, mkoutny@suse.com, chengming.zhou@linux.dev,
muchun.song@linux.dev, roman.gushchin@linux.dev,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Hao Jia <jiahao1@lixiang.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] mm/zswap: Support batch writeback in shrink_memcg()
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2026 15:35:35 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <amO-hwo8OGV5Goz0@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAO9r8zOH93mfdjHq+Ljm7X+ykZS_rjzAvp9OBCzo+uyTbM1fDQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 11:39:41AM -0700, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 11:37 AM Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 10:57 AM Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > The numbers generally look good, the store rejection rate is
> > > decreasing and we are naturally doing more writeback which makes
> > > sense. The store rejection rate actually increases when the batch size
> > > increases to 64, maybe aggressive writeback is more likely to fail and
> > > cause a store rejection, so that also makes sense.
> > >
> > > The only part I can't immediately reason about is pswpin. How are we
> > > reading from physical swap more than we ever wrote to it?
> >
> > The same page can be swapped out once, and swap in multiple times :)
> >
> > Unlike zswap, physical swap in is not necessarily exclusive. You load
> > the page in memory, but if the swapfile is not full, etc. etc. you
> > don't invalidate the copy of the data on the swapfile. At reclaim
> > time, we notice the page is not dirty, so we just skip (z)swapout.
>
> Oh right, I forgot about that, thanks.
>
> I still don't fully understand why pswpin is significantly increased
> with batching here. I would hope that with less LRU inversion we end
> up with less disk swapin. Probably the test access patterns are just
> too random compared to real workloads?
Maybe more time in zswap for those tail entries left behind with the
smaller batch?
That's a 32 entry window that could zswpin with the smaller batch but
pswpin with the larger one.
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[not found] <20260717085151.22822-1-jiahao.kernel@gmail.com>
[not found] ` <20260717085151.22822-3-jiahao.kernel@gmail.com>
2026-07-17 16:45 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] mm/zswap: Support batch writeback in shrink_memcg() Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-17 16:46 ` Nhat Pham
2026-07-23 2:27 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-07-23 4:52 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-23 13:55 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-07-23 16:39 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-23 17:11 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-07-24 10:20 ` Hao Jia
2026-07-24 17:56 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-24 18:37 ` Nhat Pham
2026-07-24 18:39 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-24 19:35 ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2026-07-24 22:22 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-24 18:40 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-07-18 1:18 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] mm/zswap: Fixes and improves the zswap global shrinker Andrew Morton
2026-07-18 1:22 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-18 1:28 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-18 4:40 ` Andrew Morton
2026-07-20 1:26 ` Hao Jia
2026-07-23 1:21 ` Hao Jia
2026-07-23 4:49 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-24 10:22 ` Hao Jia
[not found] ` <20260717085151.22822-2-jiahao.kernel@gmail.com>
2026-07-23 2:13 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] mm/zswap: Fix global shrinker when memory cgroup is disabled Johannes Weiner
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