From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
Cc: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com>,
Naoya Horiguchi <nao.horiguchi@gmail.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>, Harry Yoo <harry@kernel.org>,
Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>, Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>,
Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>, Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>, Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>,
Matthew Brost <matthew.brost@intel.com>,
Joshua Hahn <joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com>,
Rakie Kim <rakie.kim@sk.com>, Byungchul Park <byungchul@sk.com>,
Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>,
Ying Huang <ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com>,
Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Xu Xin <xu.xin16@zte.com.cn>,
Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/15] mm/rmap: index MAP_PRIVATE file-backed folios by virt pgoff
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2026 16:59:54 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ameAekveMOcP7ffQ@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <amd9QR75eLNdgNU7@lucifer>
On Mon, Jul 27, 2026 at 04:57:01PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2026 at 04:44:06PM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> > On 7/20/26 16:38, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> > > In memory management we've managed to manufacture a great deal of confusion
> > > around the concept of anonymous memory. We have:
> > >
> > > 1. 'Pure anon' memory - anonymous VMAs whose folios are anonymous and
> > > swap-backed (thus for reclaim purposes, treated as anonymous). These are
> > > simple enough.
> > >
> > > 2. shmem - file-backed VMAs, file-backed folios (from rmap perspective) so
> > > present in the page cache and mapped by an address_space object, but
> > > whose folios are also swap-backed (thus treated as anonymous for reclaim
> > > purposes).
> > >
> > > 3. MAP_PRIVATE-mapped /dev/zero - a strange beast whose VMAs have
> > > vma->vm_file set, but whose mmap_prepare callback clears vma->vm_ops to
> > > satisfy vma_is_anonymous(), which results in VMAs that were mmap()'d
> > > referencing a file, but are in every other sense anonymous, including the
> > > folios.
> > >
> > > 4. Other MAP_PRIVATE-file backed mappings - These possess file-backed VMAs
> > > and have file-backed folios until CoW'd, at which point those CoW'd
> > > folios are anonymous.
> > >
> > > This series fixes issues 3 and 4.
> > >
> > > In order for us to traverse VMAs using the reverse mapping, we require two
> > > fields - folio->mapping and folio->index. The first tells the rmap code
> > > where to look for VMAs, and the second tells it at which offset the folio
> > > starts within the referenced object.
> > >
> > > For anonymous folios, folio->mapping points at an anon_vma object. For
> > > file-backed folios, it points at an address_space. And:
> > >
> > > * For file-backed folios folio->index is simply the page offset of the start
> > > of the folio within the file.
> > >
> > > * For anonymous folios belonging to pure anon mappings, folio->index is
> > > equal to the virtual page offset of the folio.
> > >
> > > * For anonymous folios belonging to file-backed mappings (i.e. CoW'd folios
> > > of a MAP_PRIVATE file-backed mapping), folio->index is equal to the file
> > > page offset.
> > >
> > > This series establishes a new virtual page offset property of VMAs to
> > > allow us to map anonymous folios at their virtual page offset, consistent
> > > with pure anon.
> >
> > As raised off-list, I consider the "virtual page offset" concept hard to grasp.
> >
> > Maybe it's just me :)
> >
> > Skimming over the code, I read "vmg->anon_pgoff", which is pretty intuitive to
> > me. Similarly vma_start_anon_pgoff() / vmg_end_anon_pgoff().
> >
> > Could we similarly just call this "anon_pgoff" / "(linear) anon page index"
> > even on the VMA level.
>
> Yeah, I had originally done this.
>
> I renamed it because I worried that people might be confused by references to
> anon for file-backed VMA mappings.
>
> But I think probably you're right that referring to it as virtual page offset
> adds even more confusion vs. simply calling it anon. Will respin accordingly.
Would the term "logical page offset" be helpful?
I already use this in my description of folios:
* A folio is a physically, virtually and logically contiguous set
* of bytes. It is a power-of-two in size, and it is aligned to that
* same power-of-two. It is at least as large as %PAGE_SIZE. If it is
* in the page cache, it is at a file offset which is a multiple of that
* power-of-two. It may be mapped into userspace at an address which is
* at an arbitrary page offset, but its kernel virtual address is aligned
* to its size.
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-27 16:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-20 14:38 [PATCH v2 00/15] mm/rmap: index MAP_PRIVATE file-backed folios by virt pgoff Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-20 14:38 ` [PATCH v2 01/15] mm/vma: introduce VMA virtual page offset field and add helpers Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-20 15:49 ` Gregory Price
2026-07-20 16:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-20 17:26 ` Gregory Price
2026-07-27 12:03 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-25 8:08 ` xu.xin16
2026-07-20 14:38 ` [PATCH v2 02/15] mm: introduce linear_virt_page_index() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-20 14:38 ` [PATCH v2 03/15] mm: abstract vma_address() and introduce vma_anon_address() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-20 14:38 ` [PATCH v2 04/15] mm: update print_bad_page_map() to show virtual page index Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-20 14:38 ` [PATCH v2 05/15] mm: introduce and use vma_filebacked_address() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-20 14:38 ` [PATCH v2 06/15] mm: propagate VMA virtual page offset on map, remap, split + merge Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-20 14:38 ` [PATCH v2 07/15] mm/rmap: track whether the page VMA mapped walk is anonymous Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-20 14:38 ` [PATCH v2 08/15] mm: introduce and use linear_folio_page_index() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-20 14:38 ` [PATCH v2 09/15] mm/rmap: use virt pgoff for MAP_PRIVATE file-backed anon folios Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-20 14:38 ` [PATCH v2 10/15] tools/testing/vma: expand VMA merge tests to assert virt pgoff Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-20 14:38 ` [PATCH v2 11/15] tools/testing/selftests/mm: test virtual page offset merge behaviour Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-20 14:38 ` [PATCH v2 12/15] mm/vma: only permit MAP_PRIVATE /dev/zero to be mapped anonymous Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-20 14:38 ` [PATCH v2 13/15] mm/vma: make MAP_PRIVATE-mapped /dev/zero mappings truly anonymous Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-27 11:48 ` Mark Brown
2026-07-27 12:03 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-20 14:38 ` [PATCH v2 14/15] tools/testing/vma: add test to assert MAP_PRIVATE-/dev/zero is anon Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-20 14:38 ` [PATCH v2 15/15] tools/testing/selftests/mm: add MAP_PRIVATE-/dev/zero merge tests Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-20 19:48 ` [PATCH v2 00/15] mm/rmap: index MAP_PRIVATE file-backed folios by virt pgoff Andrew Morton
2026-07-27 12:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-27 14:44 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-27 15:57 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-27 15:59 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=ameAekveMOcP7ffQ@casper.infradead.org \
--to=willy@infradead.org \
--cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
--cc=apopple@nvidia.com \
--cc=arnd@arndb.de \
--cc=baohua@kernel.org \
--cc=baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com \
--cc=byungchul@sk.com \
--cc=chengming.zhou@linux.dev \
--cc=david@kernel.org \
--cc=dev.jain@arm.com \
--cc=gourry@gourry.net \
--cc=gregkh@linuxfoundation.org \
--cc=harry@kernel.org \
--cc=jack@suse.cz \
--cc=jannh@google.com \
--cc=joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com \
--cc=kees@kernel.org \
--cc=lance.yang@linux.dev \
--cc=liam@infradead.org \
--cc=linmiaohe@huawei.com \
--cc=linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
--cc=ljs@kernel.org \
--cc=matthew.brost@intel.com \
--cc=mhocko@suse.com \
--cc=nao.horiguchi@gmail.com \
--cc=npache@redhat.com \
--cc=peterx@redhat.com \
--cc=pfalcato@suse.de \
--cc=rakie.kim@sk.com \
--cc=riel@surriel.com \
--cc=rppt@kernel.org \
--cc=ryan.roberts@arm.com \
--cc=surenb@google.com \
--cc=usama.arif@linux.dev \
--cc=vbabka@kernel.org \
--cc=xu.xin16@zte.com.cn \
--cc=ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com \
--cc=ziy@nvidia.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox