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From: Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>
To: Bo Zhang <zhangbo0325@gmail.com>
Cc: fmayle@google.com, jack@suse.cz, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	 david@kernel.org, kaleshsingh@google.com,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,  linux-mm@kvack.org,
	ljs@kernel.org, lkp@intel.com, oe-lkp@lists.linux.dev,
	 oliver.sang@intel.com, surenb@google.com, willy@infradead.org,
	baohua@kernel.org,  Bo Zhang <zhangbo56@xiaomi.com>
Subject: Re: [linux-next:master] [mm] 7b32f64bc5: pts.svt-av1.Preset13.Bosphorus4K.frames_per_second 45.8% regression
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2026 11:33:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <amiCX6kcQneMZu3-@pedro-suse.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260727014610.3479784-1-zhangbo56@xiaomi.com>

On Mon, Jul 27, 2026 at 09:46:10AM +0800, Bo Zhang wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2026 at 01:34:38PM -0700, Frederick Mayle wrote:
> > I maybe missing something subtle, but, I think you've changed it from "don't
> > read beyond the VMA" to "if there is a chance we could read beyond the VMA,
> > don't read beyond the VMA", which seems like a more complex expression of the
> > same behavior.
> 
> Hi Frederick,
> 
> The subtlety is in how async readahead interacts with _max_index. The two
> are not equivalent because async readahead sets ra->start to the end of
> the previous readahead window, not to vmf->pgoff. So even though the user
> is still faulting well inside the VMA, the readahead target (ra->start)
> has already moved past the VMA end, however _max_index blocks it.
> 
> Here is the concrete scenario (ra_pages=128, VMA covers pages 0-1023):
> 
>   1. Fault at page 0 triggers sync readahead: reads pages 0-127,
>      places PG_readahead marker at page ~96.
> 
>   2. Sequential faults continue. Fault at page 96 hits PG_readahead,
>      triggers async readahead in do_async_mmap_readahead().
> 
>   3. page_cache_async_ra() detects sequential pattern (index == expected)
>      and does:
>        ra->start += ra->size;  /* pushes start to end of previous window */
>      So ra->start = 128 (NOT vmf->pgoff=96), ra->size = 256 which is doubled
> 
>   4. page_cache_ra_order() calculates:
>        limit = min(file_end, ractl->_max_index)
> 
>   With the unconditional approach:
>      _max_index = 1023 (always set)
>      limit = 1023, ra->start(128) < limit (It works fine here)
> 
>   But after several ramp-ups, when the window reaches the boundary:
> 
>   5. Fault at page ~896 hits PG_readahead, async readahead fires.
>      page_cache_async_ra() does ra->start += ra->size:
>        ra->start = 1024  (previous window ended at 1023)
>        ra->size  = 128
> 
>   6. page_cache_ra_order():
>        limit = min(file_end, 1023) = 1023
>        ra->start(1024) > limit(1023) (Which will read NOTHING)
> 
>   Result: page 1024 (in VMA2) is never prefetched. When the process
>   enters VMA2, it takes a major fault and readahead ramps up from scratch.

That's on purpose.

> 
> With my conditional approach:
>   At step 5, vmf->pgoff=896, vma_pages_left = 1024-896 = 128
>   128 < 128 (the condition is false), so _max_index stays ULONG_MAX
>   ra->start(1024) < ULONG_MAX, and it will prefetch pages 1024-1151 normally.

This is exactly what we're trying to solve.

>   Page 1024 is already cached when VMA2 is entered, only minor fault happens.
> 
> The key point: when mprotect splits a large file mapping into adjacent
> VMAs (common for ELF segments, or read-then-write patterns), there's no
> benefit in preventing readahead from crossing the boundary, so the data is
> still sequential in the file. The limit only helps when we're actually
> near the end of useful data (within ra_pages of the VMA end).

This is completely missing the point. This change tried to back off from
reading _anything_ past the VMA _on purpose_, due to ELF file spillage. This
patch reintroduces spillage in a very obfuscated way.

-- 
Pedro


  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-28 10:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-18  8:00 [linux-next:master] [mm] 7b32f64bc5: pts.svt-av1.Preset13.Bosphorus4K.frames_per_second 45.8% regression kernel test robot
2026-06-18  9:30 ` Jan Kara
2026-06-18 14:30   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-18 16:03     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-18 16:32       ` Pedro Falcato
2026-06-18 16:51         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-19 11:11         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-29 10:35     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-23  2:45 ` Bo Zhang
2026-07-23 20:34   ` Frederick Mayle
2026-07-27  1:46     ` Bo Zhang
2026-07-28 10:33       ` Pedro Falcato [this message]
2026-07-28 14:09         ` Bo Zhang
2026-07-28  5:25     ` Bo Zhang
2026-07-27  2:17   ` Oliver Sang
2026-07-27  4:20     ` Bo Zhang
2026-07-28  2:22       ` Oliver Sang

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