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From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
Cc: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org,  dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
	Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, david@redhat.com, willy@infradead.org,
	 shakeel.butt@linux.dev, vbabka@kernel.org, jannh@google.com,
	arve@android.com,  cmllamas@google.com, christian@brauner.io,
	tkjos@android.com, dsahern@kernel.org,  davem@davemloft.net,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-mm@kvack.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/5] binder: Make shrinker rely solely on per-VMA lock
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2026 12:11:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <anB3XVHI2nVgz_T8@lucifer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <anByayBh6Ed2bXox@lucifer>

On Mon, Aug 03, 2026 at 11:50:41AM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 03, 2026 at 09:48:19AM +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 02, 2026 at 02:54:56PM -0700, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > > From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
> > >
> > > tl;dr: lock_vma_under_rcu() is already a trylock. No need to do both
> > > it and mmap_read_trylock().
> > >
> > > Long Version:
> > >
> > > == Background ==
> > >
> > > Historically, binder used an mmap_read_trylock() in its shrinker code.
> > > This ensures that reclaim is not blocked on an mmap_lock. Commit
> > > 95bc2d4a9020 ("binder: use per-vma lock in page reclaiming") added
> > > support for the per-VMA lock, but left mmap_read_trylock() as a
> > > fallback.
> > >
> > > This was presumably because the per-VMA locking can fail for several
> > > reasons and most (all?) lock_vma_under_rcu() callers have a fallback
> > > to mmap_read_trylock().
> > >
> > > == Problem ==
> > >
> > > The fallback is not worth the complexity here. lock_vma_under_rcu() is
> > > essentially already a non-blocking trylock. The main reason it fails
> > > is also the reason mmap_read_trylock() fails: something is holding
> > > mmap_write_lock().
> > >
> > > The only remedy for a collision with mmap_write_lock() is to wait,
> > > which this code can not do. So the "fallback" after
> > > lock_vma_under_rcu() failure is not really a fallback: it is really
> > > likely to just be retrying in vain. That retry in an of itself isn't
> > > horrible. But it adds complexity.
> > >
> > > == Solution ==
> > >
> > > Now that per-VMA locks are universally available, lock_vma_under_rcu()
> > > will not persistently fail. Rely on it alone and simplify the code.
> > >
> > > Full disclosure: I originally tried to do this with
> > > lock_vma_under_rcu_wait(), but it did not fit well with the mmap_lock
> > > trylock semantics. Claude caught this in a review and suggested the
> > > approach in this path. It seemed sane to me. So, Suggesed-by: Claude,
> > > I guess.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
> > > Signed-off-by: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
> >
> > Reviewed-by: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
>
> Is there anything on the rust side that needs to be changed also?

Ah ok addressed in 4/5, disregard :)

>
> --
> Cheers, Lorenzo

--
Cheers, Lorenzo


  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-03 13:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-02 21:54 [PATCH v3 0/5] mm: Unconditional per-VMA locks and cleanups Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-02 21:54 ` [PATCH v3 1/5] mm: Make per-VMA locks available universally Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 10:49   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 14:01   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-03 17:45     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 15:24   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 16:08     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 17:41       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 17:45         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 21:12       ` Jann Horn
2026-08-03 19:33   ` Jann Horn
2026-08-03 19:43     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-02 21:54 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] binder: Make shrinker rely solely on per-VMA lock Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03  9:48   ` Alice Ryhl
2026-08-03 10:50     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 11:11       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) [this message]
2026-08-03 11:33         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 18:02       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 11:10   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 18:31     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-02 21:54 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] mm: Add RCU-based VMA lookup helper that waits for writers Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 11:28   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 19:01     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 14:55   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-03 15:00     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 16:24       ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-03 16:43         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 19:13           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-02 21:54 ` [PATCH v3 4/5] binder: Remove mmap_lock fallback Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 10:34   ` Alice Ryhl
2026-08-03 19:14     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03 11:33   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-03 19:16     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-02 21:54 ` [PATCH v3 5/5] tcp: Remove mmap_lock fallback path Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-08-03  2:11 ` [PATCH v3 0/5] mm: Unconditional per-VMA locks and cleanups Barry Song
2026-08-03 17:51   ` Suren Baghdasaryan

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