From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>
Cc: Guilherme Giacomo Simoes <trintaeoitogc@gmail.com>,
willy@infradead.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
david@kernel.org, harry@kernel.org, jannh@google.com,
lance.yang@linux.dev, liam@infradead.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
mhocko@suse.com, riel@surriel.com, rppt@kernel.org,
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vbabka@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: fix the race on huge alloc failed
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2026 10:32:06 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <apVDMw0d0Y8OZYl0@gremlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <apQxGMgLWWlfn3cd@pedro-suse.lan>
On Sun, Aug 30, 2026 at 03:07:25PM +0100, Pedro Falcato wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2026 at 09:47:56AM -0300, Guilherme Giacomo Simoes wrote:
> > Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> wrotes:
> > > The important thing to know is that the mmap_lock is a read-write lock.
> > > That means that two readers can be present at the same time. So this race
> > > can happen when both threads hold the mmap_lock. I don't know whether
> > > they do in the syzbot reproducer; probably not, but it doesn't matter.
> > >
> > > The other important thing is that _we don't care_ what the value of
> > > vma->anon_vma is. We only care whether it's NULL or not (this is a
> > > sufficiently common case that I wonder whether KCSAN shouldn't special-case
> > > it and decline to monitor it ...) VMAs are created with a NULL anon_vma,
> > > and then if needed, anon_vma is set. Once set, it is never changed (uhh
>
> I believe it can be changed (IIRC on a mremap dontunmap edge case??), but
> that needs the write lock anyway.
Yep in dontunmap_complete() if a source VMA is left in place due to
MREMAP_DONTUNMAP being set (which has caused some fun lately), but that does
require a VMA write lock.
>
> > > ... at least I don't think it is. Lorenzo, could you check me on this?
As above :>)
> > > I think all the places where we set vma->anon_vma to NULL are in
> > > situations where the VMA is not yet exposed to the page fault handler,
> > > like in the child side of fork()).
> > But if I have a write in the same time, this can be a problem, even though if
> > you only want to know if vma->anon_vma is NULL or not.
The forking logic holds the write lock anyway.
> >
> > >
> > > So it's inappropriate to use READ_ONCE() / WRITE_ONCE() to "solve"
> > > this problem, because we don't need those semantics. It's sufficient
> > > to wrap the read side in data_race() to indicate to KCSAN that we know
> > > what we're doing.
> > you sure?
> >
> > the __anon_vma_prepare(..) is write on vma->anon_vma and the
> > __vmf_anon_prepare(..) is reade from the same vma->anon_vma at the same time,
> > you sure that is not a problem? (I'm asking as a curious layperson.)
Yup, page_table_lock is taken explicitly to serialise this. See
https://docs.kernel.org/mm/process_addrs.html
>
> 99.9% sure. Here's the basic logic laid out:
>
> 1) Fault needs to fault in anonymous pages
> 2) Fault needs to possibly create an anon_vma
> 2a) Thus it does the lockless check, where indeed we only
> care if it's non-null or not.
> 2b) if the lockless check fails, we get into __anon_vma_prepare()
> logic, which crucially takes the page_table_lock to write the
> anon_vma to the vma. If it takes the lock and something is already
> there, it backs out.
Yes.
> 3) Now, into the weeds of anon page faulting, we end up in __folio_set_anon(),
> which reads the anon_vma from vma. This function always (AFAIK?) runs with
> the PTE lock held. Thus we can be sure the anon_vma value is correct. In
Confirmed (manually, probably should have got an LLM to do it ;):
All hold PTL:
Huge TLB (yuck) cases with 'huge' PTL:
copy_hugetlb_page_range()
-> hugetlb_install_folio()
-> hugetlb_add_new_anon_rmap()
-> __folio_set_anon()
hugetlb_wp()
-> hugetlb_add_new_anon_rmap()
-> __folio_set_anon()
hugetlb_no_page()
-> hugetlb_add_new_anon_rmap()
-> __folio_set_anon()
hugetlb_mfill_atomic_pte()
-> hugetlb_add_new_anon_rmap()
-> __folio_set_anon()
THP using the PMD PTL:
__do_huge_pmd_anonymous_page()
-> map_anon_folio_pmd_pf()
-> map_anon_folio_pmd_nopf()
-> folio_add_new_anon_rmap()
-> __folio_set_anon()
do_huge_zero_wp_pmd()
-> map_anon_folio_pmd_pf()
-> map_anon_folio_pmd_nopf()
-> folio_add_new_anon_rmap()
-> __folio_set_anon()
collapse_huge_page()
-> map_anon_folio_pmd_nopf()
-> folio_add_new_anon_rmap()
-> __folio_set_anon()
The rest all hold the PTE PTL:
copy_pte_range()
-> copy_present_ptes()
-> copy_present_page()
-> folio_add_new_anon_rmap()
-> __folio_set_anon()
wp_page_copy()
-> folio_add_new_anon_rmap()
-> __folio_set_anon()
do_swap_page()
-> folio_add_new_anon_rmap()
-> __folio_set_anon()
do_anonymous_page()
-> map_anon_folio_pte_pf()
-> map_anon_folio_pte_nopf()
-> folio_add_new_anon_rmap()
-> __folio_set_anon()
collapse_huge_page() [fallback path]
-> map_anon_folio_pte_nopf()
-> folio_add_new_anon_rmap()
-> __folio_set_anon()
filemap_map_pages()
-> filemap_map_folio_range()
-> set_pte_range()
-> folio_add_new_anon_rmap()
-> __folio_set_anon()
filemap_map_pages()
-> filemap_map_order0_folio()
-> set_pte_range()
-> folio_add_new_anon_rmap()
-> __folio_set_anon()
finish_fault()
-> set_pte_range()
-> folio_add_new_anon_rmap()
-> __folio_set_anon()
unuse_pte()
-> folio_add_new_anon_rmap()
-> __folio_set_anon()
mfill_atomic_install_pte()
-> folio_add_new_anon_rmap()
-> __folio_set_anon()
> any case, we only need to have held the page table lock once in the fault
> for it to be valid; any change to its value from non-null to null needs
> the vma/mmap write lock. Because we take a bunch of locks and do a bunch of
> stuff between that initial check in __vmf_anon_prepare and this, the compiler
> cannot validly cache the load (which can, in theory, tear).
Yup.
>
> Now, for memory ordering and its wonderful transitive properties:
> 1) writing anon_vma takes the page_table_lock. therefore if you acquire
> page_table_lock, you obsreve the anon_vma store and all preceding stores
> (due to spin_unlock providing RELEASE semantics, and spin_lock providing
> ACQUIRE semantics)
> 2) say you install e.g a PUD entry, you take the page_table_lock. So you fully
> observe the anon_vma that was installed (by doing an ACQUIRE on the lock).
> you also issue a smp_wmb() which makes sure the ptdesc setup is visible.
> 3) others using that PUD entry will (should?) transitively observe everything
> you have observed, data-dependent loads will help you there. If we _ever_
> observe a page table without seeing an associated anon_vma, it's broken.
>
> [Yes, I spent quite a bit of time thinking through this; it isn't trivial to prove
> that 2->3 transition is correct, but it looks vaguely _handwavely_ correct]
I don't think you'd ever need to know for PUD installation?
In any case you are always serialised through one lock or another with
acquire/release semantics AFAICT so I don't think there's an issue here,
and if there were one we'd have encountered it by now :)
>
> >
> > >
> > > Also, as Lance said, I don't see how this is related to huge_page_alloc
> > > failing. All I see is two threads calling __vmf_anon_prepare() at the
> > > same time, which I presume is an attempt to COW a hugetlb page.
Yeah nor odo I.
> > >
> > > I don't think it's enough to just add a data_race() to this one read of
> > > vma->anon_vma. I think it's quite prevalent. There's probably other
> > > syzbot reports that mention it.
>
> It sounds to me like the most cromulent solution is simply adding a
>
> /* maybe vma_has_anon? */
> static inline bool vma_has_anon_vma(const struct vm_area_struct *vma)
> {
> return data_race(vma->anon_vma);
> }
>
> and churn everything to use it.
I'd prefer vma_is_faulted(). That'll align better with my scalable CoW work
also.
Anyway I agree with Pedro that a data_race() resolution is appropriate here
rather than an unnecessary READ_ONCE()/WRITE_ONCE() pair.
>
> --
> Pedro
--
Cheers, Lorenzo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-31 9:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-29 10:00 [PATCH] mm: fix the race on huge alloc failed Guilherme Giacomo Simoes
2026-08-29 15:33 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-29 15:36 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-29 18:02 ` Guilherme Giacomo Simoes
2026-08-30 3:06 ` Lance Yang
2026-08-30 3:34 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-30 12:47 ` Guilherme Giacomo Simoes
2026-08-30 14:07 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-08-31 9:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) [this message]
2026-09-01 11:52 ` Guilherme Giacomo Simoes
2026-09-01 11:48 ` Guilherme Giacomo Simoes
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