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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Julian Sun <sunjunchao@bytedance.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	mhocko@kernel.org, roman.gushchin@linux.dev,
	shakeel.butt@linux.dev, muchun.song@linux.dev,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, axboe@kernel.dk, jack@suse.cz
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] writeback, memcg: skip foreign dirty tracking for bdev inodes
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2026 10:29:22 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <apnYouiUINQR-98e@slm.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260903083303.2769873-1-sunjunchao@bytedance.com>

Hello,

On Thu, Sep 03, 2026 at 04:33:03PM +0800, Julian Sun wrote:
> Foreign dirty flushing handles cases where a dirtied folio's memcg and
> the memcg owning its inode wb differ.
> 
> wbc_detach_inode() notes that "concurrent write sharing of an inode is
> expected to be very rare". This expectation does not hold for bdev inodes.
> A bdev inode and mapping are shared by buffered users of the block device,
> while the inode has a single wb owner. On ext4, buffer-cache folios used
> by metadata and journal I/O can therefore be charged to different memcgs
> while sharing the same mapping. Normal bdev activity can thus produce
> frequent folio/wb ownership mismatches.
> 
> This was reproduced on cgroup v2 with the memory and I/O controllers
> enabled, using ext4 on a loop device. jbd2 repeatedly generated
> track_foreign_dirty events for bdev folios charged to unrelated memcgs.
> When one of those memcgs entered dirty throttling, the resulting record led
> to a flush_foreign event and queued writeback with reason=foreign_flush for
> the bdev inode's root wb.

Was this reproduced from an actual workload with adverse effects? If so, can
you please explain the workload and effects with concrete details?

> Skip foreign dirty tracking when the folio mapping's host inode is on the
> blockdev pseudo superblock. This prevents bdev-originated records from
> triggering later foreign flushes.

If you do this, tho, that means now cgroups that accumulated a lot of
metadata writes on ext4 and crunched for memory don't have a way to relieve
the pressure outside of periodic or other lucky flushes. ie. I have a hard
time judging whether this is net plus or not without learning more about how
this patch came to be.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-09-03 20:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-03  8:33 [PATCH v2] writeback, memcg: skip foreign dirty tracking for bdev inodes Julian Sun
2026-09-03 19:34 ` Andrew Morton
2026-09-04  3:39   ` [External] " Julian Sun
2026-09-04  9:00     ` Jan Kara
2026-09-03 20:29 ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2026-09-04  4:34   ` Julian Sun
2026-09-04  6:36     ` Tejun Heo

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