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From: Baoquan He <baoquan.he@linux.dev>
To: Youngjun Park <youngjun.park@lge.com>
Cc: Baoquan He <hebaoquan@kylinos.cn>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, chrisl@kernel.org,
	kasong@tencent.com, nphamcs@gmail.com, baohua@kernel.org,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, yosry@kernel.org, shikemeng@huaweicloud.com,
	chengming.zhou@linux.dev, david@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 15/16] mm, swap: require zswap for xswap devices
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2026 15:57:11 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <app513BgZmP8vgGe@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <apkZNEe8/YAwygbA@yjaykim-PowerEdge-T330>

On 09/03/26 at 03:52pm, Youngjun Park wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2026 at 05:45:05PM +0800, Baoquan He wrote:
> > xswap has no backing storage: swapped-out pages live only in zswap.
> > Without zswap, swapout always bounces back, so the device would
> > consume swap entry space without ever freeing memory.  Refuse to
> > create a device when zswap is unavailable.
> > 
> > Runtime disabling of zswap after creation is safe: existing entries
> > stay loadable (zswap_load() gates on zswap_never_enabled(), not the
> > runtime zswap_enabled flag) and new swapouts merely bounce back to
> > memory without freeing it.
> 
> Hello Boaquan.
> 
> If xswap is used alongside another swap device, wouldn't runtime
> disabling of zswap cause a problem? 
> User assumes other remained swap device used right afte zswap disabled.
> 
> Once a device is allocated as xswap and zswap gets runtime disabled,
> xswap keeps receiving new swap entry allocations, and every swapout
> to it just bounces back without freeing memory . until xswap's
> entries are exhausted. Meanwhile the other swap device sits unused.
> 
> If my point is right...
> A few ways to handle this come to mind.
> 
> 1. Once xswap has started accepting writes, refuse to runtime disable zswap.
> 2. If zswap is runtime disabled, stop handing out new entries from
>    xswap (drop it from the available list, or gate on an XSWAP flag).
>    This would also need nr_swap_pages, the visible swap count to be
>    reduced accordingly, and unused cluster memory reclaimed.
>    behave as if xswap had been swapoff'd.
> 3. Support falling back to another swap device once zswap becomes
>    unavailable. 

Agreed. 2) sounds better. Thanks for the detailed analysis.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-04  7:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-27  9:44 [PATCH 00/16] xswap: extendable swap device backed by zswap Baoquan He
2026-08-27  9:44 ` [PATCH 01/16] mm: zswap: return -ENOENT when the swap device is gone Baoquan He
2026-09-02 14:53   ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-03  7:54     ` Baoquan He
2026-08-27  9:44 ` [PATCH 02/16] mm: xswap support for zswap Baoquan He
2026-08-27  9:44 ` [PATCH 03/16] mm, swap: add CONFIG_XSWAP and xswap fields to swap_info_struct Baoquan He
2026-08-27  9:44 ` [PATCH 04/16] mm, swap: refactor free_swap_cluster_info to take swap_info_struct Baoquan He
2026-08-27  9:44 ` [PATCH 05/16] mm, swap: add xswap cluster grow via VM_SPARSE vmalloc Baoquan He
2026-08-27  9:44 ` [PATCH 06/16] mm, swap: add sysfs create interface for xswap Baoquan He
2026-08-27  9:44 ` [PATCH 07/16] mm, swap: add xswap grow trigger on cluster allocation Baoquan He
2026-09-02 14:15   ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-03  8:24     ` Baoquan He
2026-08-27  9:44 ` [PATCH 08/16] mm, swap: add xswap_try_shrink and shrink trigger on cluster free Baoquan He
2026-08-27  9:44 ` [PATCH 09/16] mm, swap: free backing pages in xswap_unmap_clusters Baoquan He
2026-08-27  9:45 ` [PATCH 10/16] mm, swap: add nr_free_tail for O(1) xswap shrink detection Baoquan He
2026-08-27  9:45 ` [PATCH 11/16] mm, swap: add adjustable runtime ceiling (nr_clusters) for xswap Baoquan He
2026-08-27  9:45 ` [PATCH 12/16] mm, swap: add debugfs knob for xswap per-device cluster limit Baoquan He
2026-08-27  9:45 ` [PATCH 13/16] mm, swap: defer xswap shrink to workqueue to avoid lock recursion Baoquan He
2026-09-02 14:50   ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-03  9:17     ` Baoquan He
2026-08-27  9:45 ` [PATCH 14/16] mm, swap: refactor swapoff + add xswap_destroy Baoquan He
2026-09-03  6:59   ` Youngjun Park
2026-09-04  5:33     ` Baoquan He
2026-08-27  9:45 ` [PATCH 15/16] mm, swap: require zswap for xswap devices Baoquan He
2026-09-03  6:52   ` Youngjun Park
2026-09-04  7:57     ` Baoquan He [this message]
2026-08-27  9:45 ` [PATCH 16/16] mm, swap: allow setting xswap device priority at creation Baoquan He
2026-08-27 13:59 ` [syzbot ci] Re: xswap: extendable swap device backed by zswap syzbot ci
2026-08-31  8:35   ` Baoquan He
2026-08-31 17:54 ` [PATCH 00/16] " Kairui Song
2026-09-01 11:03   ` Baoquan He
2026-09-02 14:10     ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-04  9:42       ` Baoquan He
2026-09-02 14:33 ` Nhat Pham
2026-09-03  7:35 ` Youngjun Park
2026-09-04  3:33   ` Baoquan He

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