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[34.140.183.197]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 5b1f17b1804b1-4a0e1afbc44sm329471285e9.4.2026.10.05.03.48.04 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 05 Oct 2026 03:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2026 11:48:00 +0100 From: Vincent Donnefort To: Will Deacon , brendan.jackman@linux.dev, catalin.marinas@arm.com, rppt@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, sudeep.holla@kernel.org, jenswi@kernel.org, robh@kernel.org, mark.rutland@arm.com, ardb@kernel.org, thierry.reding@kernel.org, david@kernel.org, danielmentz@google.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, op-tee@lists.trustedfirmware.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/8] arm64: Unmap FF-A lent memory from direct map Message-ID: References: <20260921110050.3977591-1-vdonnefort@google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspam-User: X-Stat-Signature: trxbron7z8cuq18rypr8sfeywu3w7ssq X-Rspamd-Server: rspam11 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9AC5620004 X-HE-Tag: 1791197288-990593 X-HE-Meta: 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 SxU4F2eE CtuWeksArfDqZ1BOjo4q9+JjJ8Gpe5Am0+nrONodX1g9USSBD1yw4aT4Yejz2raiIJ2yIN13PC5DYXO9itc5dCi0u9HMm68zuIM5aAY4T47GkrPu9fkks4eeOeLpEI6P+WSfBgVSIfjP8g3xz52+liW/N2oj7gEpx8CQ3b/SdUHLPUBDTHB0OBhcZpbn7aOjnJkOmMgVNgjhQ9CLyi/zZuo95nP28JjukXKiWSikyWSqnZkbkR7HuwnmqS4k8MVaYPkstv9ohEGaViqV9YyHi3HQVt8p3jZAjfTOk2nzWDRB0KRajl4RSNO2mGzeT4cwYKmKV+jN3GQW4wCZ9NQdsVDcW/8FDUw7rkC4QcsdMnqXOhBR/iZMq/VgCKX3mLjhfnp+G Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, Oct 01, 2026 at 06:04:06PM +0530, Sumit Garg wrote: > On Tue, 29 Sep 2026 at 12:33:07 +0100, Will Deacon wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2026 at 05:43:08PM +0530, Sumit Garg wrote: > > > Looks like you dropped me from your reply. > > > > Huh, that's weird. If I hit reply-all ('g') in mutt, it moves the entire > > CC list to To: and drops you. I suspect the same thing happened to Thierry > > when he replied here: > > > > https://lore.kernel.org/all/arJcN60nagFKXj2Q@orome/ > > > > I can't figure out why that's happening :/ > > I manually tried to fix the To: and Cc: lines in this message. > > Thanks. > > > > > > On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 at 15:55:59 +0100, Will Deacon wrote: > > > > I spoke to Brendan at LPC (?) last year but this doesn't really work > > > > for arm64 because it relies on being able to unmap arbitrary parts of > > > > the linear map, which isn't generally possible unless you force pte-level > > > > mappings for everything, which is prohibitive for perf/power. > > > > > > As per the cover letter it's about allocating pages that are not present > > > in the direct map. This essentially fits the protected DMABufs use-case > > > where we don't want any kernel mapping to exist at any time. Bufers > > > allocated from protected DMABufs are only meant to be accessed by the > > > TEE implementation or HW accelerators like in the secure media pipeline. > > > > That sounds like it should probably build on top of this series, then. > > The main problem I see with this series is it tries to move from the generic > CMA allocator to a reserved FF-A CMA pool which again comes from the > DT. We already support reserved pool allocations via "no-map" which are > discovered dynamically from OP-TEE. I can't think of a way around a DT declaration. We need to know what region is PTE-level before the direct map is installed and of_reserved_mem is very handy for that purpose. And as this PTE-level mapping is costly we certainly only want to enable it for platforms that absolutely need it. > > If we can rather support a generic CMA like allocator for arm64 which > can support unmapped allocations then I am all for it. These platform > specific reserved pools isn't a scalable solution. What do you mean by generic CMA allocator here? An extension to shared-dma-pool? Or having the CMA automatically doing the unmap/map on cma_alloc() cma_release()? Right now I have created an API for the unmapping/remapping part. It adds a burden on the caller, but the alternative solution is introducing post-alloc pre-dealloc callbacks in the CMA, which looked a bit overkilled to me when the users of that "ffa-pool" are only optee and the nvidia video dma-buf heap. -- Vincent > > > You could allocate the DMABufs from a CMA region that has no linear alias. > > Allocation from generic CMA pool is already the case here: > > tee_shm_alloc_dma_mem() -> > dma_alloc_pages() > > Do you mean it's just fine to unmap buffers allocated from generic CMA > region since it doesn't have any linear alias? > > > > > > > Vincent's series tackles that by using a pool so that only that part of > > > > memory requires the pte-level mappings in the linear map. That's the > > > > whole point of it, so I don't think it makes sense to drop it in favour > > > > of Brendan's approach (which doesn't work). > > > > > > > > > > For protected DMABufs, we even don't require any pte-level mappings in > > > linear map. The whole idea of mapping and unmapping is just a bottleneck > > > for performance sensitive secure media pipeline use-cases. That's why if > > > we can support __GFP_UNMAPPED with the memory allocator on arm64 would > > > be the best fit for this use-case. > > > > The point is that you will require pte-level mappings for the linear map > > if you want to unmap from it at runtime on arm64. If you don't, then you > > can end up needing to split a block mapping (e.g. pmd-level) when you > > decide to unmap only part of it and there isn't a safe way to do that on > > arm64 without transiently unmapping the entire block, which can lead to > > fatal translation faults during that window. > > I agree with you here, what I am rather trying to find if on arm64 there > is any possibilty to have a generic allocator for unmapped pages. That's > the use-case here as well as what Brendan't patch-set was trying to address. > > > > > > Now the question is why arm64 can't support __GFP_UNMAPPED similar to > > > how Brendan is doing it for x86? > > > > Because arm64 != x86? Presumably x86 doesn't have the strict > > break-before-make requirements we have on arm64. > > > > Sure, sounds like you are eluding to that the generic MM flag > __GFP_UNMAPPED being proposed can't be supported on arm64, right? > > -Sumit