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From: David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>
To: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
Cc: Pratyush Yadav <pratyush@kernel.org>,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Alexander Graf <graf@amazon.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Samiullah Khawaja <skhawaja@google.com>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 10/10] selftests/liveupdate: Add a test for preserving tmpfs files
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2026 22:42:35 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <auu02-iDbVaEL-4v@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <auuJM8c-bE43NP54@google.com>

On 2026-11-04 02:37 PM, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
> On 11-04 17:59, Pratyush Yadav wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 03 2026, David Matlack wrote:
> > [...]
> > 
> > Umm, no way I am reading all this...
> > 
> > LLMs are great at generating tests, and I'm not saying there is no value
> > in this. It is just that this massive code dump is unreviewable by
> > humans. It is also unfair to the human reviewer because it took many
> > orders of magnitude less effort to _write_ them with an LLM.
> > 
> > What do you all reckon we should do about this? Trust the LLM to get the
> > testing right? Do we give up human maintenance of tests entirely? Do we
> > do fault injection to test the tests themselves?
> > 
> > Or do we make the tests smaller and more human reviewable?
> 
> We need good test coverage, but I believe we can break this patch down 
> into smaller changes where tested features are incrementally added.

Agreed that it needs to be easier to review, but I'd like to keep the
coverage. Here's what I have in mind for v4:

 - Move the preserve-side checks that don't need a kexec into
   liveupdate.c, like Pasha suggested in his earlier reply: which files
   can be preserved (permissions, read-only and append-only files), the
   frozen size while preserved, and unpreserve. Those then run with the
   regular kselftests instead of only in vmtest.sh.

 - Split the rest of luo_tmpfs into several smaller commits that add the
   tested features incrementally, e.g. one for the test infrastructure
   and basic retrieve, one for the open() flags and creation checks, and
   one for block accounting. That makes the series longer, but each
   commit is a few hundred lines and can be reviewed on its own.

It will still be long, but I think having the test coverage is worth it.

Does that sound reasonable?


      reply	other threads:[~2026-11-04 22:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-03  1:02 [PATCH v3 00/10] liveupdate: Preserve tmpfs files across Live Update David Matlack
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 01/10] liveupdate: Pass user argument to file preserve and retrieve David Matlack
2026-11-04  1:03   ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-04 13:17   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 02/10] selftests: liveupdate: Add tests for preserve and retrieve user argument David Matlack
2026-11-04  1:03   ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-04 13:26   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 03/10] liveupdate: Allow file handlers to mark retrieve failures as retryable David Matlack
2026-11-04 14:12   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 16:15     ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 04/10] mm: Rename memfd_luo to shmem_luo David Matlack
2026-11-04 14:25   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 05/10] liveupdate: Don't WARN if tracking a retrieved file fails David Matlack
2026-11-04 14:32   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 06/10] mm/shmem_luo: Don't make early retrieve failures permanent David Matlack
2026-11-04 15:01   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 22:28     ` David Matlack
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 07/10] mm/shmem_luo: Retrieve tmpfs files onto a tmpfs mount chosen by userspace David Matlack
2026-11-04  0:43   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 16:27   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 22:30     ` David Matlack
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 08/10] mm/shmem_luo: Allow preserving tmpfs files that are still linked David Matlack
2026-11-04  0:43   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 16:45   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 22:32     ` David Matlack
2026-11-04 23:38     ` David Matlack
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 09/10] mm/shmem_luo: Allow retrieving tmpfs files with O_RDONLY David Matlack
2026-11-04  0:43   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 16:52   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 19:45     ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 22:35       ` David Matlack
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 10/10] selftests/liveupdate: Add a test for preserving tmpfs files David Matlack
2026-11-04  0:43   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 16:59   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 19:37     ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 22:42       ` David Matlack [this message]

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