From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Andreas Larsson <andreas@gaisler.com>,
"Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)" <chleroy@kernel.org>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
"David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Malin Jonsson <malin.jonsson@est.tech>,
Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
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x86@kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Madhavan Srinivasan <maddy@linux.ibm.com>,
Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
Michal Simek <monstr@monstr.eu>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Nishanth Menon <nm@ti.com>,
Lucas Stach <l.stach@pengutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/6] arch/*: increase lowmem size to avoid highmem use
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2026 18:58:24 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <avddvZcf6bpbpFcU@gremlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261112112528.1116405-6-arnd@kernel.org>
On Thu, Nov 12, 2026 at 12:25:27PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
>
> Most of the common 32-bit architectures (x86, arm, powerpc) all use the
> default virtual memory layout that was already in place for i386 systems
> in the 1990s, using exactly 3GiB of user TASK_SIZE, with the upper 1GiB
> of addresses split between (at most 896MiB) lowmem and vmalloc.
>
> Linux-2.3 introduced CONFIG_HIGHMEM for large x86 server machines that
> had 4GiB of RAM or more, with the VMSPLIT_3G/2G/1G options added in
> v2.6.16 for machines that had one or two gigabytes of memory but wanted
> to avoid the overhead from managing highmem. Over time, similar options
> appeared on other 32-bit architectures.
>
> Twenty years later, it makes sense to reconsider the default settings,
> as the tradeoffs have changed a bit:
>
> - Configurations with more than 2GiB have become extremely rare,
> as any users with large memory have moved on to 64-bit systems.
> There were only ever a few Laptop models in this category: Apple
> Powerbook G4 (2005), Macbook (2006), IBM Thinkpad X60 (2006), Arm
> Chromebooks based on Exynos 5800 (2014), Tegra K1 (2014) and RK3288
> (2015), and manufacturer support for all of these has ended in 2020
> or (much) earlier.
> Embedded systems with more than 2GiB use additional SoCs of a
> similar vintage: Intel Atom Z5xx (2008), Freescale QorIQ (2008),
> Marvell Armada XP (2010), Freescale i.MX6Q (2011), LSI Axxia (2013),
> TI Keystone2 (2014), Renesas RZ/G1M (2015). Most boards based on
> these have stopped receiving kernel upgrades and later 32-bit chips
> only support smaller memory configurations, though in particular the
> i.MX6Q and Keystone2 families have expected support cycles past 2035.
> While 32-bit server installations used to support even larger memory,
> none of those seem to still be used in production on any architecture.
>
> - While general-purpose distributes for 32-bit targets were common,
> it was rather risky to change the CONFIG_VMSPLIT setting because
> there is always a possibility of running into device driver bugs or
> applications that need a large virtual memory size. Presumably
> a lot of these issues have been resolved now, so most setups should
> be fine using a custom vmsplit instead of highmem now.
>
> - As fewer users test highmem, the expectation is that it will
> increasingly break in the future, so getting users to change the
> vmsplit means that even if there is a bug to fix initially,
> it improves the situation in the long run.
>
> - Highmem will ultimately need to be removed, at least for the page
> cache and most other code using it today. In a previous discussion, I
> had suggested doing this as early as 2029, but based on the discussions
> since ELC, the plan is now to leave highmem-enabled page cache as an
> option until at least 2029, at which point remaining users will have
> the choice between no longer updating kernels or using a combination of
> a custom vmsplit and zram/zswap. Changing the defaults now should both
> speed up the highmem deprecation and make it less painful for users.
>
> - The most VM space intensive applications tend to be web browsers,
> specifcally Chrome/ChromeOS and Firefox. Both have now stopped
> providing binary updates.
> Testing various combinations on Debian/armhf, I found that Firefox 140
> can still show complex websites with VMSPLIT_2G_OPT with and without
> HIGHMEM, though it failed for me both with the small address space
> of VMSPLIT_1G and the small lowmem of VMSPLIT_3G_OPT when HIGHMEM
> is disabled.
> This is likely to get worse with future versions, so embedded users
> may still be forced to migrate to specialized browsers like WPE Webkit
> when HIGHMEM pagecache is finally removed.
>
> Based on the above observations and the discussion at the kernel summit,
> change the defaults to the most appropriate values: use 1GiB of lowmem on
> non-highmem configurations, and either 2GiB or 1.75GiB of lowmem on highmem
> builds, depending on what is available on the architecture. As ARM_LPAE
> and X86_PAE builds both require a gigabyte-aligned vmsplit, those get
> to use VMSPLIT_2G. The result is that the majority of previous highmem
> users now only need lowmem. For platform specific defconfig files that
> are known to only support up to 1GiB of RAM, drop the CONFIG_HIGHMEM line
> as well as a simplification.
>
> On PowerPC and Microblaze, the options have somewhat different names but
> should have the same effect. MIPS and Xtensa cannot support a larger
> than 512MB of lowmem but are limited to small DDR2 memory in most
> implementations, with MT7621 being a notable exception. ARC and C-Sky
> could support a configurable vmsplit in theory, but it's not clear
> if anyone still cares.
> SPARC is currently limited to 192MB of lowmem and should get patched
> to behave either like arm/x86 or powerpc/microblaze to support 2GiB
> of lowmem.
>
> There are likely going to be regressions from the changed defaults,
> in particular when hitting previously hidden device driver bugs
> that fail to set the correct DMA mask, or from applications that
> need a large virtual address space.
> Ideally the in-kernel problems should all be fixable, but as a fallback,
> the previous behavior is still selectable based on CONFIG_EXPERT=y.
>
> Cc: Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
> Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
> Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
> Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
> Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
> Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
> Cc: x86@kernel.org
> Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
> Cc: Madhavan Srinivasan <maddy@linux.ibm.com>
> Cc: Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>
> Cc: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
> Cc: Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP) <chleroy@kernel.org>
> Cc: linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org
> Cc: Michal Simek <monstr@monstr.eu>
> Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
> Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>
> Cc: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
> Cc: Liam R. Howlett <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>
> Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
> Cc: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
> Cc: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
> Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
> Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
> Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org
> Cc: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>
> Cc: Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>
> Cc: Nishanth Menon <nm@ti.com>
> Cc: Andreas Larsson <andreas@gaisler.com>
> Cc: Lucas Stach <l.stach@pengutronix.de>
> Signed-off-by: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Very nice, thanks! :)
Acked-by: Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) <ljs@kernel.org>
> ---
> arch/arm/Kconfig | 5 ++++-
> arch/arm/configs/aspeed_g5_defconfig | 1 -
> arch/arm/configs/u8500_defconfig | 1 -
> arch/arm/configs/vt8500_v6_v7_defconfig | 2 --
> arch/arm/mach-omap2/Kconfig | 1 -
> arch/microblaze/Kconfig | 9 ++++++---
> arch/microblaze/configs/mmu_defconfig | 1 -
> arch/powerpc/Kconfig | 14 +++++++++-----
> arch/powerpc/configs/44x/akebono_defconfig | 1 -
> arch/powerpc/configs/85xx/ksi8560_defconfig | 1 -
> arch/powerpc/configs/85xx/stx_gp3_defconfig | 1 -
> arch/x86/Kconfig | 4 +++-
> 12 files changed, 22 insertions(+), 19 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/arch/arm/Kconfig b/arch/arm/Kconfig
> index fc66d52d847e..797705a94b28 100644
> --- a/arch/arm/Kconfig
> +++ b/arch/arm/Kconfig
> @@ -1025,7 +1025,8 @@ config BL_SWITCHER_DUMMY_IF
> choice
> prompt "Memory split"
> depends on MMU
> - default VMSPLIT_3G
> + default VMSPLIT_2G if HIGHMEM || ARM_LPAE
> + default VMSPLIT_3G_OPT
> help
> Select the desired split between kernel and user memory.
>
> @@ -1034,8 +1035,10 @@ choice
>
> config VMSPLIT_3G
> bool "3G/1G user/kernel split"
> + depends on !HIGHMEM || EXPERT
> config VMSPLIT_3G_OPT
> depends on !ARM_LPAE
> + depends on !HIGHMEM || EXPERT
> bool "3G/1G user/kernel split (for full 1G low memory)"
> config VMSPLIT_2G
> bool "2G/2G user/kernel split"
> diff --git a/arch/arm/configs/aspeed_g5_defconfig b/arch/arm/configs/aspeed_g5_defconfig
> index 1327a09e163a..7f077c667478 100644
> --- a/arch/arm/configs/aspeed_g5_defconfig
> +++ b/arch/arm/configs/aspeed_g5_defconfig
> @@ -27,7 +27,6 @@ CONFIG_SMP=y
> # CONFIG_ARM_CPU_TOPOLOGY is not set
> CONFIG_VMSPLIT_2G=y
> CONFIG_NR_CPUS=2
> -CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
> CONFIG_UACCESS_WITH_MEMCPY=y
> CONFIG_VFP=y
> CONFIG_NEON=y
> diff --git a/arch/arm/configs/u8500_defconfig b/arch/arm/configs/u8500_defconfig
> index 2fe25f5eb9a5..b284c2c31758 100644
> --- a/arch/arm/configs/u8500_defconfig
> +++ b/arch/arm/configs/u8500_defconfig
> @@ -6,7 +6,6 @@ CONFIG_KALLSYMS_ALL=y
> CONFIG_ARCH_U8500=y
> CONFIG_SMP=y
> CONFIG_NR_CPUS=2
> -CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
> CONFIG_ARM_APPENDED_DTB=y
> CONFIG_ARM_ATAG_DTB_COMPAT=y
> CONFIG_CMDLINE="root=/dev/ram0 console=ttyAMA2,115200n8"
> diff --git a/arch/arm/configs/vt8500_v6_v7_defconfig b/arch/arm/configs/vt8500_v6_v7_defconfig
> index 2925a1f1dbb6..1f6dca21d569 100644
> --- a/arch/arm/configs/vt8500_v6_v7_defconfig
> +++ b/arch/arm/configs/vt8500_v6_v7_defconfig
> @@ -8,8 +8,6 @@ CONFIG_ARM_ERRATA_720789=y
> CONFIG_ARM_ERRATA_754322=y
> CONFIG_ARM_ERRATA_775420=y
> CONFIG_HAVE_ARM_ARCH_TIMER=y
> -CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
> -CONFIG_HIGHPTE=y
> CONFIG_ARM_APPENDED_DTB=y
> CONFIG_ARM_ATAG_DTB_COMPAT=y
> CONFIG_VFP=y
> diff --git a/arch/arm/mach-omap2/Kconfig b/arch/arm/mach-omap2/Kconfig
> index f0f1d7a8640c..d145e448a6b8 100644
> --- a/arch/arm/mach-omap2/Kconfig
> +++ b/arch/arm/mach-omap2/Kconfig
> @@ -135,7 +135,6 @@ config ARCH_OMAP2PLUS_TYPICAL
> bool "Typical OMAP configuration"
> default y
> select AEABI
> - select HIGHMEM if !CPU_CACHE_VIVT
> select I2C
> select I2C_OMAP
> select MENELAUS if ARCH_OMAP2
> diff --git a/arch/microblaze/Kconfig b/arch/microblaze/Kconfig
> index 9063a91cfb41..8ce8d108bfd7 100644
> --- a/arch/microblaze/Kconfig
> +++ b/arch/microblaze/Kconfig
> @@ -164,7 +164,8 @@ config LOWMEM_SIZE_BOOL
>
> config LOWMEM_SIZE
> hex "Maximum low memory size (in bytes)" if LOWMEM_SIZE_BOOL
> - default "0x30000000"
> + default "0x80000000" if HIGHMEM
> + default "0x40000000"
>
> config MANUAL_RESET_VECTOR
> hex "Microblaze reset vector address setup"
> @@ -190,7 +191,8 @@ config KERNEL_START_BOOL
>
> config KERNEL_START
> hex "Virtual address of kernel base" if KERNEL_START_BOOL
> - default "0xc0000000"
> + default "0x70000000" if HIGHMEM
> + default "0xb0000000"
>
> config TASK_SIZE_BOOL
> bool "Set custom user task size"
> @@ -204,7 +206,8 @@ config TASK_SIZE_BOOL
>
> config TASK_SIZE
> hex "Size of user task space" if TASK_SIZE_BOOL
> - default "0x80000000"
> + default "0x70000000" if HIGHMEM
> + default "0xb0000000"
>
> config MB_MANAGER
> bool "Support for Microblaze Manager"
> diff --git a/arch/microblaze/configs/mmu_defconfig b/arch/microblaze/configs/mmu_defconfig
> index 7f9b19d0d9db..19a13d3ece5c 100644
> --- a/arch/microblaze/configs/mmu_defconfig
> +++ b/arch/microblaze/configs/mmu_defconfig
> @@ -15,7 +15,6 @@ CONFIG_XILINX_MICROBLAZE0_USE_FPU=2
> CONFIG_HZ_100=y
> CONFIG_CMDLINE_BOOL=y
> CONFIG_CMDLINE_FORCE=y
> -CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
> CONFIG_MODULES=y
> CONFIG_MODULE_UNLOAD=y
> CONFIG_PARTITION_ADVANCED=y
> diff --git a/arch/powerpc/Kconfig b/arch/powerpc/Kconfig
> index c3b6cd655606..31e68cd32a10 100644
> --- a/arch/powerpc/Kconfig
> +++ b/arch/powerpc/Kconfig
> @@ -489,6 +489,7 @@ menu "Kernel options"
> config HIGHMEM
> bool "High memory support"
> depends on PPC32
> + depends on PPC_BOOK3S_32 || PPC_85xx || 44x
> select KMAP_LOCAL
>
> source "kernel/Kconfig.hz"
> @@ -1190,7 +1191,8 @@ config LOWMEM_SIZE_BOOL
>
> config LOWMEM_SIZE
> hex "Maximum low memory size (in bytes)" if LOWMEM_SIZE_BOOL
> - default "0x30000000"
> + default "0x80000000" if HIGHMEM
> + default "0x40000000"
>
> config LOWMEM_CAM_NUM_BOOL
> bool "Set number of CAMs to use to map low memory"
> @@ -1242,7 +1244,8 @@ config PAGE_OFFSET_BOOL
>
> config PAGE_OFFSET
> hex "Virtual address of memory base" if PAGE_OFFSET_BOOL
> - default "0xc0000000"
> + default "0x70000000" if HIGHMEM
> + default "0xb0000000"
>
> config KERNEL_START_BOOL
> bool "Set custom kernel base address"
> @@ -1258,8 +1261,9 @@ config KERNEL_START_BOOL
> config KERNEL_START
> hex "Virtual address of kernel base" if KERNEL_START_BOOL
> default PAGE_OFFSET if PAGE_OFFSET_BOOL
> - default "0xc2000000" if CRASH_DUMP && !NONSTATIC_KERNEL
> - default "0xc0000000"
> + default "0x72000000" if HIGHMEM && CRASH_DUMP && !NONSTATIC_KERNEL
> + default "0xb2000000" if CRASH_DUMP && !NONSTATIC_KERNEL
> + default PAGE_OFFSET
>
> config PHYSICAL_START_BOOL
> bool "Set physical address where the kernel is loaded"
> @@ -1295,7 +1299,7 @@ config TASK_SIZE_BOOL
> config TASK_SIZE
> hex "Size of maximum user task space" if TASK_SIZE_BOOL
> default "0x80000000" if PPC_8xx
> - default "0xc0000000"
> + default PAGE_OFFSET
>
> config MODULES_SIZE_BOOL
> bool "Set custom size for modules/execmem area"
> diff --git a/arch/powerpc/configs/44x/akebono_defconfig b/arch/powerpc/configs/44x/akebono_defconfig
> index bdb0e6ece6ec..cc1e3da5f8f5 100644
> --- a/arch/powerpc/configs/44x/akebono_defconfig
> +++ b/arch/powerpc/configs/44x/akebono_defconfig
> @@ -14,7 +14,6 @@ CONFIG_MODULE_UNLOAD=y
> CONFIG_PPC_47x=y
> # CONFIG_EBONY is not set
> CONFIG_AKEBONO=y
> -CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
> CONFIG_HZ_100=y
> CONFIG_IRQ_ALL_CPUS=y
> # CONFIG_COMPACTION is not set
> diff --git a/arch/powerpc/configs/85xx/ksi8560_defconfig b/arch/powerpc/configs/85xx/ksi8560_defconfig
> index 9cb211fb6d1e..f2ac1fc41303 100644
> --- a/arch/powerpc/configs/85xx/ksi8560_defconfig
> +++ b/arch/powerpc/configs/85xx/ksi8560_defconfig
> @@ -9,7 +9,6 @@ CONFIG_PARTITION_ADVANCED=y
> CONFIG_KSI8560=y
> CONFIG_CPM2=y
> CONFIG_GEN_RTC=y
> -CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
> CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y
> CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION=y
> # CONFIG_SECCOMP is not set
> diff --git a/arch/powerpc/configs/85xx/stx_gp3_defconfig b/arch/powerpc/configs/85xx/stx_gp3_defconfig
> index 0a42072fa23c..1033977711d6 100644
> --- a/arch/powerpc/configs/85xx/stx_gp3_defconfig
> +++ b/arch/powerpc/configs/85xx/stx_gp3_defconfig
> @@ -7,7 +7,6 @@ CONFIG_MODULES=y
> CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y
> # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_BSG is not set
> CONFIG_STX_GP3=y
> -CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
> CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=m
> CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION=y
> CONFIG_PCI=y
> diff --git a/arch/x86/Kconfig b/arch/x86/Kconfig
> index 58dce0b66179..18b3eeebb7ce 100644
> --- a/arch/x86/Kconfig
> +++ b/arch/x86/Kconfig
> @@ -1410,7 +1410,9 @@ config HIGHMEM4G
>
> choice
> prompt "Memory split" if EXPERT
> - default VMSPLIT_3G
> + default VMSPLIT_2G_OPT if HIGHMEM && !X86_PAE
> + default VMSPLIT_2G if X86_PAE
> + default VMSPLIT_3G_OPT
> depends on X86_32
> help
> Select the desired split between kernel and user memory.
> --
> 2.53.0
>
--
Cheers, Lorenzo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-11-13 18:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-11-12 11:25 [PATCH v2 0/6] mm: highmem cleanups Arnd Bergmann
2026-11-12 11:25 ` [PATCH v2 1/6] ARM: remove support for highmem on VIVT Arnd Bergmann
2026-11-12 13:47 ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-11-13 11:26 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-13 11:36 ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-11-13 18:28 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-11-12 11:25 ` [PATCH v2 2/6] mm: remove ARCH_NEEDS_KMAP_HIGH_GET Arnd Bergmann
2026-11-12 11:48 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-11-13 18:39 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-11-12 11:25 ` [PATCH v2 3/6] ARM: drop CONFIG_HIGHPTE support Arnd Bergmann
2026-11-12 11:47 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-11-12 12:22 ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-11-13 18:41 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-11-12 11:25 ` [PATCH v2 4/6] mm: drop HIGHPTE support altogether Arnd Bergmann
2026-11-12 11:54 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-11-12 12:33 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-11-12 13:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-11-13 10:50 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-11-13 18:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-11-12 11:25 ` [PATCH v2 5/6] arch/*: increase lowmem size to avoid highmem use Arnd Bergmann
2026-11-12 12:00 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-11-13 11:26 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-13 17:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-11-13 18:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-11-13 18:58 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) [this message]
2026-11-12 11:25 ` [PATCH v2 6/6] ARM: add CONFIG_VMSPLIT_2G_OPT option Arnd Bergmann
2026-11-13 11:26 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-13 14:18 ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-11-13 19:20 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
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