From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: "Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)" <ljs@kernel.org>,
Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>,
Chen Ridong <chenridong@huaweicloud.com>,
Emil Tsalapatis <emil@etsalapatis.com>,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
Yuanchu Xie <yuanchu@google.com>, Wei Xu <weixugc@google.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>, Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>,
Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>,
David Stevens <stevensd@google.com>,
Vernon Yang <vernon2gm@gmail.com>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Kalesh Singh <kaleshsingh@google.com>,
wangzicheng <wangzicheng@honor.com>,
"T . J . Mercier" <tjmercier@google.com>,
Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Meta kernel team <kernel-team@meta.com>,
bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Towards Unified and Extensible Memory Reclaim (reclaim_ext)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2026 14:42:35 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b340e43f-2e08-4a77-8176-e49667387e85@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <67f1588e-a094-413c-9746-9c28bdf6cc56@lucifer.local>
On 3/26/26 14:13, Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle) wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2026 at 08:37:06PM +0800, Kairui Song wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2026 at 4:02 PM Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle) <ljs@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm quite concerned about maintainership, as it seems the MGLRU maintainers have
>>> not been all that active, and the MGLRU to me at least is currently a black box.
>>>
>>> I'm not the only one who's raised this (see [0]).
>>>
>>> That'd very much have to be resolved and the community reassured that MGLRU is
>>> _actively_ maintained before we could even contemplate it replacing the
>>> 'classic' reclaim approach IMO.
>>>
>>> I hope that Kairu, Barry, Zicheng and others who are interested int it resolve
>>> this, however!
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Right, I think we are starting to make good progress on improving
>> MGLRU recently. For the last few years we already have some commits
>> stashed downstream to enable that on our fleet, most of my effort in
>> upstream is spent on other parts like SWAP, really looking forward to
>> making MGLRU better upstreamly.
>>
>> Yesterday I was still discussing with CachyOS folks about their usage
>> while working on that series for MGLRU cleanup and dirty flush
>> optimization, and got some nice feedback later from their chat server
>> that MGLRU's TTL resolved their thrashing issue very well. With
>> classic LRU they needed a le9 patch downtreamly.
>>
>> For many other typical workloads under stress, MGLRU performs
>> significantly better too (e.g. database, build kernel could be more
>> than twice as fast), it would be a huge loss to leave it unmaintained.
>>
>> Barry also provided some really helpful ideas about MGLRU like
>> readahead handling. We are also seeing other vendors and people
>> contributing to MGLRU like Leno and Baolin recently. Things are
>> looking promising.
>
> Guys, can I please make a plea then for you guys to AT LEAST become
> reviewers in MAINTAINERS please:
>
> MEMORY MANAGEMENT - MGLRU (MULTI-GEN LRU)
> M: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
>
> Well Andrew is Andrew :)
>
> M: Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>
>
> git log mm/vmscan.c has 0 results.
>
> Axel has however engaged in discussion on
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20260318-mglru-reclaim-v1-0-2c46f9eb0508@tencent.com/
> recently for example, but not much in 2025 afaict.
>
> M: Yuanchu Xie <yuanchu@google.com>
>
> git log mm/vmscan.c shows 1 result from August 13th 2024.
>
> Yuanchu has engaged in some MGLRU discussion also recently, here and there.
>
> R: Wei Xu <weixugc@google.com>
>
> git log mm/vmscan.c shows 2 results from October 2024.
>
> Wei doesn't look to have engaged in discussion on MGLRU recently.
>
> L: linux-mm@kvack.org
> S: Maintained
> W: http://www.linux-mm.org
> T: git git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/akpm/mm
> F: Documentation/admin-guide/mm/multigen_lru.rst
> F: Documentation/mm/multigen_lru.rst
> F: include/linux/mm_inline.h
> F: include/linux/mmzone.h
> F: mm/swap.c
> F: mm/vmscan.c
> F: mm/workingset.c
>
> It doesn't really feel like MGLRU is currently maintained at all, quite
> honestly.
>
> So I think we need people to step up here.
Ans some serious cleanup of the entry to reflect who is actually
involved nowadays, if at all.
Master of MAINTAINER updates, I assume you'll take care of that?
--
Cheers,
David
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-03-26 13:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-03-25 21:06 [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Towards Unified and Extensible Memory Reclaim (reclaim_ext) Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26 0:10 ` T.J. Mercier
2026-03-26 2:05 ` Andrew Morton
2026-03-26 7:03 ` Michal Hocko
2026-03-26 8:02 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 12:37 ` Kairui Song
2026-03-26 13:13 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 13:42 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-03-26 13:45 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 16:02 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 20:02 ` Axel Rasmussen
2026-03-26 20:30 ` Gregory Price
2026-03-26 20:47 ` Axel Rasmussen
2026-03-27 3:43 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-03-26 12:06 ` Kairui Song
2026-03-26 12:31 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 13:17 ` Kairui Song
2026-03-26 13:26 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 13:21 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26 7:12 ` Michal Hocko
2026-03-26 13:44 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26 15:24 ` Michal Hocko
2026-03-26 18:21 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-26 7:18 ` wangzicheng
2026-03-26 11:43 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 15:24 ` Gregory Price
2026-03-26 15:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 16:32 ` Gregory Price
2026-03-26 16:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 18:49 ` Shakeel Butt
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