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For the last few years we already have some commits >> stashed downstream to enable that on our fleet, most of my effort in >> upstream is spent on other parts like SWAP, really looking forward to >> making MGLRU better upstreamly. >> >> Yesterday I was still discussing with CachyOS folks about their usage >> while working on that series for MGLRU cleanup and dirty flush >> optimization, and got some nice feedback later from their chat server >> that MGLRU's TTL resolved their thrashing issue very well. With >> classic LRU they needed a le9 patch downtreamly. >> >> For many other typical workloads under stress, MGLRU performs >> significantly better too (e.g. database, build kernel could be more >> than twice as fast), it would be a huge loss to leave it unmaintained. >> >> Barry also provided some really helpful ideas about MGLRU like >> readahead handling. We are also seeing other vendors and people >> contributing to MGLRU like Leno and Baolin recently. Things are >> looking promising. > > Guys, can I please make a plea then for you guys to AT LEAST become > reviewers in MAINTAINERS please: > > MEMORY MANAGEMENT - MGLRU (MULTI-GEN LRU) > M: Andrew Morton > > Well Andrew is Andrew :) > > M: Axel Rasmussen > > git log mm/vmscan.c has 0 results. > > Axel has however engaged in discussion on > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20260318-mglru-reclaim-v1-0-2c46f9eb0508@tencent.com/ > recently for example, but not much in 2025 afaict. > > M: Yuanchu Xie > > git log mm/vmscan.c shows 1 result from August 13th 2024. > > Yuanchu has engaged in some MGLRU discussion also recently, here and there. > > R: Wei Xu > > git log mm/vmscan.c shows 2 results from October 2024. > > Wei doesn't look to have engaged in discussion on MGLRU recently. > > L: linux-mm@kvack.org > S: Maintained > W: http://www.linux-mm.org > T: git git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/akpm/mm > F: Documentation/admin-guide/mm/multigen_lru.rst > F: Documentation/mm/multigen_lru.rst > F: include/linux/mm_inline.h > F: include/linux/mmzone.h > F: mm/swap.c > F: mm/vmscan.c > F: mm/workingset.c > > It doesn't really feel like MGLRU is currently maintained at all, quite > honestly. > > So I think we need people to step up here. Ans some serious cleanup of the entry to reflect who is actually involved nowadays, if at all. Master of MAINTAINER updates, I assume you'll take care of that? -- Cheers, David