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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>, Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
	Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] mm/huge_memory: fix shrinking of all-zero THPs with max_ptes_none default
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2025 16:58:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b56b43c1-d49d-4302-a171-9b00bf9cfa54@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8b9ee2fe-91ef-4475-905c-cf0943ada720@gmail.com>

On 05.09.25 16:53, Usama Arif wrote:
> 
> 
> On 05/09/2025 15:46, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>>
>>> The reason I did this is for the case if you change max_ptes_none after the THP is added
>>> to deferred split list but *before* memory pressure, i.e. before the shrinker runs,
>>> so that its considered for splitting.
>>
>> Yeah, I was assuming that was the reason why the shrinker is enabled as default.
>>
>> But in any sane system, the admin would enable the shrinker early. If not, we can look into handling it differently.
> 
> Yes, I do this as well, i.e. have a low value from the start.
> 
> Does it make sense to disable shrinker if max_ptes_none is 511? It wont shrink
> the usecase you are describing below, but we wont encounter the increased CPU usage.>

I don't really see why we should do that.

If the shrinker is a problem than the shrinker should be disabled. But 
if it is enabled, we should be shrinking as documented.

Without more magic around our THP toggles (we want less) :)

Shrinking happens when we are under memory pressure, so I am not really 
sure how relevant the scanning bit is, and if it is relevant enought to 
change the shrinker default.

-- 
Cheers

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-05 14:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-05 14:11 [PATCH v1] mm/huge_memory: fix shrinking of all-zero THPs with max_ptes_none default David Hildenbrand
2025-09-05 14:37 ` Zi Yan
2025-09-05 14:39   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-06  6:35     ` Lance Yang
2025-09-05 14:43   ` Usama Arif
2025-09-05 14:47     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-05 14:58       ` Usama Arif
2025-09-05 14:40 ` Usama Arif
2025-09-05 14:46   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-05 14:53     ` Usama Arif
2025-09-05 14:58       ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-09-05 15:01         ` Usama Arif
2025-09-05 15:04           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-05 15:16             ` Usama Arif
2025-09-05 15:28               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-05 15:53                 ` Usama Arif
2025-09-05 15:57                   ` Usama Arif
2025-09-05 15:58                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-05 16:47                     ` Usama Arif
2025-09-05 16:55                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-05 17:26                         ` Usama Arif
2025-09-08  9:14                           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-14 14:04   ` Dev Jain
2025-09-15  8:51     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-05 15:02 ` Usama Arif
2025-09-05 15:11 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-05 15:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-05 15:36   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-08 11:32     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-06  6:39 ` Lance Yang
2025-09-08  2:16 ` Baolin Wang

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