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From: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>, Gao Xiang <xiang@kernel.org>,
	Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>, Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Kefeng Wang <wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/4] mm: swap: Remove CLUSTER_FLAG_HUGE from swap_cluster_info:flags
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2024 16:03:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b642c7ff-c452-4066-ac12-dbf05e215cb9@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d2fbfdd0-ad61-4fe2-a976-4dac7427bfc9@redhat.com>

On 28/02/2024 12:12, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>> How relevant is it? Relevant enough that someone decided to put that
>>> optimization in? I don't know :)
>>
>> I'll have one last go at convincing you: Huang Ying (original author) commented
>> "I believe this should be OK.  Better to compare the performance too." at [1].
>> That implies to me that perhaps the optimization wasn't in response to a
>> specific problem after all. Do you have any thoughts, Huang?
> 
> Might make sense to include that in the patch description!
> 
>> OK so if we really do need to keep this optimization, here are some ideas:
>>
>> Fundamentally, we would like to be able to figure out the size of the swap slot
>> from the swap entry. Today swap supports 2 sizes; PAGE_SIZE and PMD_SIZE. For
>> PMD_SIZE, it always uses a full cluster, so can easily add a flag to the cluster
>> to mark it as PMD_SIZE.
>>
>> Going forwards, we want to support all sizes (power-of-2). Most of the time, a
>> cluster will contain only one size of THPs, but this is not the case when a THP
>> in the swapcache gets split or when an order-0 slot gets stolen. We expect these
>> cases to be rare.
>>
>> 1) Keep the size of the smallest swap entry in the cluster header. Most of the
>> time it will be the full size of the swap entry, but sometimes it will cover
>> only a portion. In the latter case you may see a false negative for
>> swap_page_trans_huge_swapped() meaning we take the slow path, but that is rare.
>> There is one wrinkle: currently the HUGE flag is cleared in put_swap_folio(). We
>> wouldn't want to do the equivalent in the new scheme (i.e. set the whole cluster
>> to order-0). I think that is safe, but haven't completely convinced myself yet.
>>
>> 2) allocate 4 bits per (small) swap slot to hold the order. This will give
>> precise information and is conceptually simpler to understand, but will cost
>> more memory (half as much as the initial swap_map[] again).
>>
>> I still prefer to avoid this at all if we can (and would like to hear Huang's
>> thoughts). But if its a choice between 1 and 2, I prefer 1 - I'll do some
>> prototyping.
> 
> Taking a step back: what about we simply batch unmapping of swap entries?
> 
> That is, if we're unmapping a PTE range, we'll collect swap entries (under PT
> lock) that reference consecutive swap offsets in the same swap file.
> 
> There, we can then first decrement all the swap counts, and then try minimizing
> how often we actually have to try reclaiming swap space (lookup folio, see it's
> a large folio that we cannot reclaim or could reclaim, ...).
> 
> Might need some fine-tuning in swap code to "advance" to the next entry to try
> freeing up, but we certainly can do better than what we would do right now.
> 

Hi,

I'm struggling to convince myself that free_swap_and_cache() can't race with
with swapoff(). Can anyone explain that this is safe?

I *think* they are both serialized by the PTL, since all callers of
free_swap_and_cache() (except shmem) have the PTL, and swapoff() calls
try_to_unuse() early on, which takes the PTL as it iterates over every vma in
every mm. It looks like shmem is handled specially by a call to shmem_unuse(),
but I can't see the exact serialization mechanism.

I've implemented a batching function, as David suggested above, but I'm trying
to convince myself that it is safe for it to access si->swap_map[] without a
lock (i.e. that swapoff() can't concurrently free it). But I think
free_swap_and_cache() as it already exists depends on being able to access the
si without an explicit lock, so I'm assuming the same mechanism will protect my
new changes. But I want to be sure I understand the mechanism...


This is the existing free_swap_and_cache(). I think _swap_info_get() would break
if this could race with swapoff(), and __swap_entry_free() looks up the cluster
from an array, which would also be freed by swapoff if racing:

int free_swap_and_cache(swp_entry_t entry)
{
	struct swap_info_struct *p;
	unsigned char count;

	if (non_swap_entry(entry))
		return 1;

	p = _swap_info_get(entry);
	if (p) {
		count = __swap_entry_free(p, entry);
		if (count == SWAP_HAS_CACHE)
			__try_to_reclaim_swap(p, swp_offset(entry),
					      TTRS_UNMAPPED | TTRS_FULL);
	}
	return p != NULL;
}


This is my new function. I want to be sure that it's safe to do the
READ_ONCE(si->swap_info[...]):

void free_swap_and_cache_nr(swp_entry_t entry, int nr)
{
	unsigned long end = swp_offset(entry) + nr;
	unsigned type = swp_type(entry);
	struct swap_info_struct *si;
	unsigned long offset;

	if (non_swap_entry(entry))
		return;

	si = _swap_info_get(entry);
	if (!si || end > si->max)
		return;

	/*
	 * First free all entries in the range.
	 */
	for (offset = swp_offset(entry); offset < end; offset++) {
		VM_WARN_ON(data_race(!si->swap_map[offset]));
		__swap_entry_free(si, swp_entry(type, offset));
	}

	/*
	 * Now go back over the range trying to reclaim the swap cache. This is
	 * more efficient for large folios because we will only try to reclaim
	 * the swap once per folio in the common case. If we do
	 * __swap_entry_free() and __try_to_reclaim_swap() in the same loop, the
	 * latter will get a reference and lock the folio for every individual
	 * page but will only succeed once the swap slot for every subpage is
	 * zero.
	 */
	for (offset = swp_offset(entry); offset < end; offset += nr) {
		nr = 1;
		if (READ_ONCE(si->swap_map[offset]) == SWAP_HAS_CACHE) { << HERE
			/*
			 * Folios are always naturally aligned in swap so
			 * advance forward to the next boundary. Zero means no
			 * folio was found for the swap entry, so advance by 1
			 * in this case. Negative value means folio was found
			 * but could not be reclaimed. Here we can still advance
			 * to the next boundary.
			 */
			nr = __try_to_reclaim_swap(si, offset,
					      TTRS_UNMAPPED | TTRS_FULL);
			if (nr == 0)
				nr = 1;
			else if (nr < 0)
				nr = -nr;
			nr = ALIGN(offset + 1, nr) - offset;
		}
	}
}

Thanks,
Ryan



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-03-04 16:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-25 14:45 [PATCH v3 0/4] Swap-out small-sized THP without splitting Ryan Roberts
2023-10-25 14:45 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] mm: swap: Remove CLUSTER_FLAG_HUGE from swap_cluster_info:flags Ryan Roberts
2024-02-22 10:19   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-22 10:20     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-26 17:41       ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-27 17:10         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-27 19:17           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28  9:37             ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-28 12:12               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28 14:57                 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-28 15:12                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28 15:18                     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-01 16:27                     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-01 16:31                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-01 16:44                         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-01 17:00                           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-01 17:14                             ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-01 17:18                               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-01 17:06                           ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-04  4:52                             ` Barry Song
2024-03-04  5:42                               ` Barry Song
2024-03-05  7:41                                 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-01 16:31                       ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-01 16:32                       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-04 16:03                 ` Ryan Roberts [this message]
2024-03-04 17:30                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-04 18:38                     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-04 20:50                       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-04 21:55                         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-04 22:02                           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-04 22:34                             ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-05  6:11                               ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-05  8:35                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-05  8:46                                   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-28 13:33               ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-28 14:24                 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-28 14:59                   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-25 14:45 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] mm: swap: Remove struct percpu_cluster Ryan Roberts
2023-10-25 14:45 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] mm: swap: Simplify ssd behavior when scanner steals entry Ryan Roberts
2023-10-25 14:45 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] mm: swap: Swap-out small-sized THP without splitting Ryan Roberts
2023-10-30  8:18   ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-30 13:59     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-31  8:12       ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-03 11:42         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-02  7:40   ` Barry Song
2023-11-02 10:21     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-02 22:36       ` Barry Song
2023-11-03 11:31         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-03 13:57           ` Steven Price
2023-11-04  9:34             ` Barry Song
2023-11-06 10:12               ` Steven Price
2023-11-06 21:39                 ` Barry Song
2023-11-08 11:51                   ` Steven Price
2023-11-07 12:46               ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-07 18:05                 ` Barry Song
2023-11-08 11:23                   ` Barry Song
2023-11-08 20:20                     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-08 21:04                       ` Barry Song
2023-11-04  5:49           ` Barry Song
2024-02-05  9:51   ` Barry Song
2024-02-05 12:14     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-18 23:40       ` Barry Song
2024-02-20 20:03         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-05  9:00         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-05  9:54           ` Barry Song
2024-03-05 10:44             ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-27 12:28     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-27 13:37     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-28  2:46       ` Barry Song
2024-02-22  7:05   ` Barry Song
2024-02-22 10:09     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-23  9:46       ` Barry Song
2024-02-27 12:05         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-28  1:23           ` Barry Song
2024-02-28  9:34             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28 23:18               ` Barry Song
2024-02-28 15:57             ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-29  7:47 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] " Barry Song
2023-11-29 12:06   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-29 20:38     ` Barry Song
2024-01-18 11:10 ` [PATCH RFC 0/6] mm: support large folios swap-in Barry Song
2024-01-18 11:10   ` [PATCH RFC 1/6] arm64: mm: swap: support THP_SWAP on hardware with MTE Barry Song
2024-01-26 23:14     ` Chris Li
2024-02-26  2:59       ` Barry Song
2024-01-18 11:10   ` [PATCH RFC 2/6] mm: swap: introduce swap_nr_free() for batched swap_free() Barry Song
2024-01-26 23:17     ` Chris Li
2024-02-26  4:47       ` Barry Song
2024-01-18 11:10   ` [PATCH RFC 3/6] mm: swap: make should_try_to_free_swap() support large-folio Barry Song
2024-01-26 23:22     ` Chris Li
2024-01-18 11:10   ` [PATCH RFC 4/6] mm: support large folios swapin as a whole Barry Song
2024-01-27 19:53     ` Chris Li
2024-02-26  7:29       ` Barry Song
2024-01-27 20:06     ` Chris Li
2024-02-26  7:31       ` Barry Song
2024-01-18 11:10   ` [PATCH RFC 5/6] mm: rmap: weaken the WARN_ON in __folio_add_anon_rmap() Barry Song
2024-01-18 11:54     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-01-23  6:49       ` Barry Song
2024-01-29  3:25         ` Chris Li
2024-01-29 10:06           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-01-29 16:31             ` Chris Li
2024-02-26  5:05               ` Barry Song
2024-04-06 23:27             ` Barry Song
2024-01-27 23:41     ` Chris Li
2024-01-18 11:10   ` [PATCH RFC 6/6] mm: madvise: don't split mTHP for MADV_PAGEOUT Barry Song
2024-01-29  2:15     ` Chris Li
2024-02-26  6:39       ` Barry Song
2024-02-27 12:22     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-27 22:39       ` Barry Song
2024-02-27 14:40     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-27 18:57       ` Barry Song
2024-02-28  3:49         ` Barry Song
2024-01-18 15:25   ` [PATCH RFC 0/6] mm: support large folios swap-in Ryan Roberts
2024-01-18 23:54     ` Barry Song
2024-01-19 13:25       ` Ryan Roberts
2024-01-27 14:27         ` Barry Song
2024-01-29  9:05   ` Huang, Ying

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