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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Matthew Wilcox' <willy@infradead.org>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Aaro Koskinen <aaro.koskinen@iki.fi>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Paul Cercueil <paul@crapouillou.net>,
	"42.hyeyoo@gmail.com" <42.hyeyoo@gmail.com>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"catalin.marinas@arm.com" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"cl@linux.com" <cl@linux.com>,
	"iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com" <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"penberg@kernel.org" <penberg@kernel.org>,
	"rientjes@google.com" <rientjes@google.com>,
	"rkovhaev@gmail.com" <rkovhaev@gmail.com>,
	"roman.gushchin@linux.dev" <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Feng Tang <feng.tang@intel.com>
Subject: RE: Deprecating and removing SLOB
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 09:37:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b6d691573f544a4ea44338430edb6911@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y20ktNwgPqUbOwxH@casper.infradead.org>

From: Matthew Wilcox
> Sent: 10 November 2022 16:20
> 
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 08:31:31AM +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> > >     octeon-hcd will crash the kernel when SLOB is used. This usually happens
> > >     after the 18-byte control transfer when a device descriptor is read.
> > >     The DMA engine is always transfering full 32-bit words and if the
> > >     transfer is shorter, some random garbage appears after the buffer.
> > >     The problem is not visible with SLUB since it rounds up the allocations
> > >     to word boundary, and the extra bytes will go undetected.
> >
> > Ah, actually it wouldn't *now* as SLUB would make the allocation fall into
> > kmalloc-32 cache and only add redzone beyond 32 bytes. But with upcoming
> > changes by Feng Tang, this should work.
> 
> This is kind of "if a bug stings a tree in a forest, does it hurt"
> problem.  If all allocations of 18 bytes are rounded up to 20 or more
> bytes, then it doesn't matter that the device has this bug.  Sure, it
> may end up hurting in the future if we decide to create 18-byte slab
> caches, but it's not actually going to affect anything today (and we
> seem to be moving towards less precision in order to get more
> performance)

Yes, even on dma-coherent systems allocated blocks have to be
moderately aligned - so the space after an 18 byte block can't be used.
I also doubt there is any benefit (and many bugs) from allowing
2 bytes alignment on m68k.
So the 'overwrite to a whole number of words' maybe reasonably expected
to not cause any real bugs.

x86 (even 32bit) probably requires 16 byte alignment (for some corner
cases) - ok for a power-of-2 allocator that doesn't add a header.
(Although 1, 2, 4 and 8 byte allocates are valid.)

To reduce memory wastage what you really don't want is an allocator
that adds a header/trailer and then rounds up to a power of 2.
Coders write in binary and do kmalloc(256) not kmalloc(200) and
rounding 256 up to 512 is rather wasteful.
(Search for the kmalloc(PAGE_SIZE+1) :-)

I also think that one of the allocators only cuts pages into
power-of-2 sizes.
It is probably sensible to return cache-aligned (probably 64 byte)
buffers for requests larger than a cache line.
But a 4k page can be split into 21 192-byte buffers.
As well as using less memory for allocates between 129 and 192 bytes
it may reduce pressure on the d-cache by evening out cache line usage.

	David

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-11  9:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-09 20:56 Deprecating and removing SLOB Paul Cercueil
2022-11-09 21:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-09 23:48   ` Aaro Koskinen
2022-11-09 23:51     ` Aaro Koskinen
2022-11-10  4:40     ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-11-10  7:31       ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-10  7:54         ` Feng Tang
2022-11-10 16:20         ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-11-11  9:37           ` David Laight [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-11-08 15:55 Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-08 18:18 ` Christophe Leroy
2022-11-08 19:17   ` Andrew Morton
2022-11-08 18:46 ` Roman Gushchin
2022-11-08 20:13   ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-11-09  9:09     ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-08 21:44 ` Pasha Tatashin
2022-11-09  9:00   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-09 15:50     ` Aaro Koskinen
2022-11-09 16:45       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-11-09 17:45       ` Mike Rapoport
2022-11-09 21:16       ` Janusz Krzysztofik
2022-11-09 17:57   ` Conor.Dooley
2022-11-09 23:00     ` Damien Le Moal
2022-11-11 10:25       ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-12  1:40         ` Damien Le Moal
2022-11-11 10:33   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-11 20:46     ` Conor Dooley
2022-11-12  1:40       ` Damien Le Moal
2022-11-14  1:55       ` Damien Le Moal
2022-11-14  5:48         ` Damien Le Moal
2022-11-14  9:36           ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-14 11:35             ` Damien Le Moal
2022-11-14 14:47               ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-11-15  4:24                 ` Damien Le Moal
2022-11-15  4:28                   ` Damien Le Moal
2022-11-16  7:57                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-11-16  8:02                       ` Damien Le Moal
2022-11-16 17:51                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-17  0:22                     ` Damien Le Moal
2022-11-21  4:30                     ` Damien Le Moal
2022-11-21 17:02                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-14 11:50             ` Hyeonggon Yoo

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