From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 1/7] mseal, system mappings: kernel config and header change
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 06:04:34 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b7a38abf-f102-47b4-b085-213298c51aae@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABi2SkXT0z9YFsEkf3-HH0r_NuXXs_SJid9yzjuu0SwuxxWmZw@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 05:33:24PM -0800, Jeff Xu wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 10:05 PM Lorenzo Stoakes
> <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com> wrote:
> > > +config ARCH_HAS_MSEAL_SYSTEM_MAPPINGS
> > > + bool
> > > + help
> > > + Control MSEAL_SYSTEM_MAPPINGS access based on architecture.
> > > +
> > > + A 64-bit kernel is required for the memory sealing feature.
> > > + No specific hardware features from the CPU are needed.
> > > +
> > > + To enable this feature, the architecture needs to update their
> > > + special mappings calls to include the sealing flag and confirm
> > > + that it doesn't unmap/remap system mappings during the life
> > > + time of the process. After the architecture enables this, a
> > > + distribution can set CONFIG_MSEAL_SYSTEM_MAPPING to manage access
> > > + to the feature.
> >
> > Architectures also need to be confirmed not to require any form of VDSO
> > relocation, which as discussed in previous series some arches appear to
> > need to do. I'd mention that here.
> >
> This might need clarification, the system mapping includes vdso, right
> ? Why the focus on vdso ?
My mistake, I thought scope was more limited than this when I first
looked. Please disregard the focus on VDSO here... :)
>
> The sentence "... it doesn't unmap/remap system mappings during the
> lifetime of the process." already cover what you want here, I think.
>
Right, I guess it just doesn't quite _emphasise_ it enough for me. Something
like the below would really help bring that out:
The existing of this flag for an architecture implies that it does not
require the remapping of these system mappings during process lifetime,
so sealing these mappings is safe from a kernel perspective.
>
> > > +
> > > + For complete descriptions of memory sealing, please see
> > > + Documentation/userspace-api/mseal.rst
> > > +
> > > config HAVE_PERF_EVENTS
> > > bool
> > > help
> > > diff --git a/security/Kconfig b/security/Kconfig
> > > index f10dbf15c294..15a86a952910 100644
> > > --- a/security/Kconfig
> > > +++ b/security/Kconfig
> > > @@ -51,6 +51,24 @@ config PROC_MEM_NO_FORCE
> > >
> > > endchoice
> > >
> > > +config MSEAL_SYSTEM_MAPPINGS
> > > + bool "mseal system mappings"
> > > + depends on 64BIT
> > > + depends on ARCH_HAS_MSEAL_SYSTEM_MAPPINGS
> > > + depends on !CHECKPOINT_RESTORE
> > > + help
> > > + Seal system mappings such as vdso, vvar, sigpage, uprobes, etc.
> >
> > Let's be specific here, 'etc.' could mean _anything_. Also you aren't
> > sealing most of this, let's just list what you are _actually_ sealing
> > here. Which is AFAIK VDSO only?
> >
> I will remove "etc" and list all the mappings.
>
> Those mappings are:
> vdso, vvar, vvar_vclock, vectors (arm compact-mode) and sigpage (arm
> compact-mode), uprobe.
>
> We seal all system mappings that x86-64 and arm64 have.
Perfect!
>
> > You can update this later as time goes on if/when you expand this.
> >
> > > +
> > > + A 64-bit kernel is required for the memory sealing feature.
> > > + No specific hardware features from the CPU are needed.
> > > +
> > > + Note: CHECKPOINT_RESTORE, UML, gVisor, rr are known to relocate or
> > > + unmap system mapping, therefore this config can't be enabled
> > > + universally.
> >
> > Thanks for putting this here, appreciate it!
> >
> > Could we tweak this though? I'd like to make it crystal clear, so I don't
> > think 'note' sufficies and this sounds a little too vague.
> >
> > I think 'warning' is more appropriate here since you're breaking things for
> > people who might be unaware. And we need to say this -breaks- programs:
> >
> > WARNING: This feature breaks programs which rely on relocating or
> > unmapping system mappings.
> >
> > Known broken software at the time of writing includes
> > CHECKPOINT_RESTORE, UML, gVisor and rr.
> >
> > I think this is critical.
> >
> Sure.
Perfect, thank you! Much appreciated.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-26 6:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-24 22:52 [PATCH v7 0/7] mseal system mappings jeffxu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 1/7] mseal, system mappings: kernel config and header change jeffxu
2025-02-25 6:05 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 1:33 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 6:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2025-02-28 0:04 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 15:22 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-25 15:37 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 0:04 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 2/7] selftests: x86: test_mremap_vdso: skip if vdso is msealed jeffxu
2025-02-25 6:15 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 22:37 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 5:58 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 3/7] mseal, system mappings: enable x86-64 jeffxu
2025-02-25 1:03 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-26 0:21 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-25 8:08 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-26 0:48 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 7:35 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-02-27 21:44 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 4/7] mseal, system mappings: enable arm64 jeffxu
2025-02-25 6:20 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 22:26 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 5:25 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 17:11 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-26 17:17 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 17:43 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 18:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28 0:48 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:31 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 5/7] mseal, system mappings: enable uml architecture jeffxu
2025-02-25 6:22 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 8:45 ` Berg, Benjamin
2025-02-25 10:37 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 12:24 ` Benjamin Berg
2025-02-25 13:41 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 13:59 ` Johannes Berg
2025-02-25 15:06 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-25 15:31 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 18:38 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-26 0:00 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 6/7] mseal, system mappings: uprobe mapping jeffxu
2025-02-25 6:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 0:06 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 5:57 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 16:26 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 16:33 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 16:45 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 18:01 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 18:06 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 18:19 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-02-26 18:20 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-02-26 18:25 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-27 23:38 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:39 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-27 21:48 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-24 22:52 ` [PATCH v7 7/7] mseal, system mappings: update mseal.rst jeffxu
2025-02-24 23:03 ` [PATCH v7 0/7] mseal system mappings Pedro Falcato
2025-02-24 23:07 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-25 6:09 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 10:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 0:17 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 6:00 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-27 23:43 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 10:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-25 15:18 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26 0:12 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26 5:42 ` your mail Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28 0:55 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 9:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28 17:24 ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 17:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
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