From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>, linux-mm@kvack.org
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] [RFC] mm: Remove MAP_UNINITIALIZED support
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 10:46:50 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b7f7f849-00d1-49e5-8455-94eb9b45e273@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240925210615.2572360-6-arnd@kernel.org>
On 25.09.24 23:06, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
>
> MAP_UNINITIALIZED was added back in 2009 for NOMMU kernels, specifically
> for blackfin, which is long gone. MAP_HUGE_SHIFT/MAP_HUGE_MASK were
> added in 2012 for architectures supporting hugepages, which at the time
> did not overlap with the ones supporting NOMMU.
>
> Adding the macro under an #ifdef was obviously a mistake, which
> Christoph Hellwig tried to address by making it unconditionally defined
> to 0x4000000 as part of the series to support RISC-V NOMMU kernels. At
> this point linux/mman.h contained two conflicting definitions for bit 26,
> though the two are still mutually exclusive at runtime in all supported
> configurations.
>
> According to the commit 854e9ed09ded ("mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE)")
> description, it was previously used internally by facebook, which
> would have resulted in MAP_HUGE_1MB turning into MAP_HUGE_2MB
> with MAP_UNINITIALIZED enabled, and every other page size implying
> MAP_UNINITIALIZED. I assume there are no remaining out of tree users
> on MMU-enabled kernels today.
>
> I do not see any sensible way to redefine the macros for the ABI in
> a way avoids breaking something. The only ideas so far are:
>
> - do nothing, try to document the bug, hope for the best
>
> - remove the kernel implementation and redefine MAP_UNINITIALIZED to
> zero in the header to silently turn it off for everyone. There are
> few NOMMU users left, and the ones that do use NOMMU usually turn
> off MMAP_ALLOW_UNINITIALIZED, as it still has the potential to cause
> bugs and even security issues on systems with a memory protection
> unit.
>
> - remove both the implementation and the macro to force a build
> failure for anyone trying to use the feature. This way we can
> see who complains and whether we need to put it back in some
> form or change the userspace sources to no longer pass the flag.
>
The first, uncontroversial step could indeed be to make
MAP_UNINITIALIZED a nop, but still leave the definitions in mman.h etc
around.
This is the same we did with MAP_DENYWRITE. There might be some weird
user out there, and carelessly reusing the bit could result in trouble.
(people might argue that they are not using it with MAP_HUGETLB, so it
would work)
Going forward and removing MAP_UNINITIALIZED is a bit more
controversial, but maybe there really isn't any other user around.
Software that is not getting recompiled cannot be really identified by
letting it rest in -next only.
My take would be to leave MAP_UNINITIALIZED in the headers in some form
for documentation purposes.
--
Cheers,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-09-26 8:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-09-25 21:06 [PATCH 0/5] asm-generic: clean up asm/mman.h Arnd Bergmann
2024-09-25 21:06 ` [PATCH 1/5] asm-generic: cosmetic updates to uapi/asm/mman.h Arnd Bergmann
2024-09-26 9:21 ` Helge Deller
2024-09-26 9:41 ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-10-09 14:16 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-09-25 21:06 ` [PATCH 2/5] asm-generic: move MAP_* flags from mman-common.h to mman.h Arnd Bergmann
2024-10-09 14:25 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-09-25 21:06 ` [PATCH 3/5] asm-generic: use asm-generic/mman-common.h on mips and xtensa Arnd Bergmann
2024-10-05 17:13 ` Richard Henderson
2024-09-25 21:06 ` [PATCH 4/5] asm-generic: use asm-generic/mman-common.h on parisc and alpha Arnd Bergmann
2024-10-05 17:15 ` Richard Henderson
2024-10-09 14:31 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-09-25 21:06 ` [PATCH 5/5] [RFC] mm: Remove MAP_UNINITIALIZED support Arnd Bergmann
2024-09-26 8:46 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2024-09-26 13:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-10-09 14:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-09-26 9:18 ` Helge Deller
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