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From: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
To: Kiryl Shutsemau <kirill@shutemov.name>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	 Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	 Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	 Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	 Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/filemap: Implement fast short reads
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2025 03:49:12 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b8e56515-3903-068c-e4bd-fc0ca5c30d94@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHbLzkpx7iv40Tt+CDpbSsOupkGXKcix0wfiF6cVGrLFe0dvRQ@mail.gmail.com>

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On Thu, 23 Oct 2025, Yang Shi wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2025 at 3:34 AM Kiryl Shutsemau <kirill@shutemov.name> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2025 at 07:28:27PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > "garbage" as in pointing at something without a direct map, something that's
> > > protected differently (MTE? weird CoCo protection?) or even worse MMIO with
> > > undesired read-effects.
> >
> > Pedro already points to the problem with missing direct mapping.
> > _nofault() copy should help with this.
> >
> > Can direct mapping ever be converted to MMIO? It can be converted to DMA
> > buffer (which is fine), but MMIO? I have not seen it even in virtualized
> > environments.
> >
> > I cannot say for all CoCo protections, but TDX guest shared<->private
> > should be fine.
> >
> > I am not sure about MTE. Is there a way to bypass MTE check for a load?
> > And how does it deal with stray reads from load_unaligned_zeropad()?
> 
> If I remember correctly, _nofault() copy should skip tag check too.
> 
> Thanks,
> Yang

Not a reply to Yang, I'm just tacking on to the latest mail...

I sew no mention of page migration: __folio_migrate_mapping() does
not use page_cache_delete(), so would surely need to do its own
write_seqcount_begin() and _end(), wouldn't it?

It is using folio_ref_freeze() and _unfreeze(), thinking that
keeps everyone else safely away: but not filemap_read_fast_rcu().

And all other users of folio_ref_freeze() (probably not many but
I have not searched) need to be checked too: maybe no others need
changing, but that has to be established.

This makes a fundamental change to speculative page cache assumptions.

My own opinion was expressed very much better than I could,
by Dave Chinner on Oct 21: cognitive load of niche fastpath.

Hugh

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-27 10:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-17 14:15 [PATCH] mm/filemap: Implement fast short reads Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-18  2:38 ` kernel test robot
2025-10-18  3:54 ` kernel test robot
2025-10-18  4:46 ` kernel test robot
2025-10-18 17:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-20 11:03   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-20  4:53 ` Andrew Morton
2025-10-20 11:33   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-21 15:50     ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-21 23:39     ` Dave Chinner
2025-10-22  4:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-22  8:00         ` Dave Chinner
2025-10-22 15:31           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-23  7:50             ` Dave Chinner
2025-10-23  9:37               ` Jan Kara
2025-10-21 15:47   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-22  7:08 ` Pedro Falcato
2025-10-22  7:13   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-22  7:38     ` Pedro Falcato
2025-10-22 10:00       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-22 17:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-23 10:31   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-23 10:54     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-23 11:09       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-23 12:08         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-23 11:10       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-23 11:11         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-23 11:40           ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-23 11:49             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-23 12:41               ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-23 17:42     ` Yang Shi
2025-10-27 10:49       ` Hugh Dickins [this message]
2025-10-27 15:50         ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-27 16:06           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-27 16:48             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-27 16:53               ` David Hildenbrand

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