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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 06/12] KVM: guest_memfd: add module param for disabling TLB flushing
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2025 21:20:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c1875a54-0c87-450f-9370-29e7ec4fea3d@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e25867b6-ffc0-4c7c-9635-9b3f47b186ca@intel.com>

On 25.09.25 20:27, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 9/24/25 08:22, Roy, Patrick wrote:
>> Add an option to not perform TLB flushes after direct map manipulations.
> 
> I'd really prefer this be left out for now. It's a massive can of worms.
> Let's agree on something that works and has well-defined behavior before
> we go breaking it on purpose.

May I ask what the big concern here is? Not to challenge your position 
but to understand the involved problems and what would have to be 
documented at some point in a patch.

Essentially we're removing the direct map from some memory we allocated 
through the buddy to reinstall it before we free the memory back to the 
buddy.

So from the buddy POV whether we flush or don't flush the TLB shouldn't 
matter, right?

Where the missing TLB flush would be relevant is to the workload (VM) 
where some (speculative) access through the direct map would be possible 
until the TLB was flushed.

So until flushed, it's not-as-secure-as-you think. A flush after some 
time (batched over multiple page allocations?) could make it deterministic.

Is there something else that's problematic?

-- 
Cheers

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-25 19:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-24 15:10 [PATCH v7 00/12] Direct Map Removal Support for guest_memfd Patrick Roy
2025-09-24 15:10 ` [PATCH v7 01/12] arch: export set_direct_map_valid_noflush to KVM module Patrick Roy
2025-09-24 15:10 ` [PATCH v7 02/12] x86/tlb: export flush_tlb_kernel_range " Patrick Roy
2025-09-24 15:10 ` [PATCH v7 03/12] mm: introduce AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Patrick Roy
2025-09-24 15:22   ` [PATCH v7 04/12] KVM: guest_memfd: Add stub for kvm_arch_gmem_invalidate Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:22     ` [PATCH v7 05/12] KVM: guest_memfd: Add flag to remove from direct map Roy, Patrick
2025-09-25 11:00       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-25 15:52         ` Roy, Patrick
2025-09-25 19:28           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-26 14:49       ` Patrick Roy
2025-10-31 17:30       ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-01  9:39         ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-03 10:35           ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-03 10:50             ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-04 11:08               ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-10 12:34                 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-03  7:57       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2025-09-24 15:22     ` [PATCH v7 06/12] KVM: guest_memfd: add module param for disabling TLB flushing Roy, Patrick
2025-09-25 11:02       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-25 15:50         ` Roy, Patrick
2025-09-25 19:32           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-25 18:27       ` Dave Hansen
2025-09-25 19:20         ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-09-25 19:59           ` Dave Hansen
2025-09-25 20:13             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-26  9:46               ` Patrick Roy
2025-09-26 10:53                 ` Will Deacon
2025-09-26 20:09                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-27  7:38                     ` Patrick Roy
2025-09-29 10:20                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-11 14:32                         ` Patrick Roy
2025-11-07 15:29                           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-11-07 17:22                             ` Nikita Kalyazin
2025-11-07 17:21                           ` Nikita Kalyazin
2025-10-30 16:05         ` Brendan Jackman
2025-10-31 18:31           ` Brendan Jackman
2025-09-24 15:22     ` [PATCH v7 07/12] KVM: selftests: load elf via bounce buffer Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:22     ` [PATCH v7 08/12] KVM: selftests: set KVM_MEM_GUEST_MEMFD in vm_mem_add() if guest_memfd != -1 Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:22     ` [PATCH v7 09/12] KVM: selftests: Add guest_memfd based vm_mem_backing_src_types Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:22     ` [PATCH v7 10/12] KVM: selftests: cover GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_NO_DIRECT_MAP in existing selftests Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:22     ` [PATCH v7 11/12] KVM: selftests: stuff vm_mem_backing_src_type into vm_shape Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:22     ` [PATCH v7 12/12] KVM: selftests: Test guest execution from direct map removed gmem Roy, Patrick
2025-10-30 17:18       ` Brendan Jackman
2025-09-25 10:26     ` [PATCH v7 04/12] KVM: guest_memfd: Add stub for kvm_arch_gmem_invalidate David Hildenbrand
2025-09-25 10:25   ` [PATCH v7 03/12] mm: introduce AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP David Hildenbrand
2025-09-24 15:29 ` [PATCH v7 00/12] Direct Map Removal Support for guest_memfd Roy, Patrick
2025-09-24 15:38   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-11-07 15:54 ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-07 17:23   ` Nikita Kalyazin
2025-11-07 18:04     ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-07 18:11       ` Nikita Kalyazin
2025-11-10 15:36         ` Brendan Jackman
2025-11-07 17:37   ` Brendan Jackman

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