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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Alexey Makhalov <amakhalov@vmware.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"stable@vger.kernel.org" <stable@vger.kernel.org>,
	Oscar Salvador <OSalvador@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: fix panic in __alloc_pages
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 14:41:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ccf05348-e1b6-58a7-2626-701e60b662e6@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YYE8L4gs8/+HH6bf@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On 02.11.21 14:25, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 02-11-21 13:39:06, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>> Yes, but a zonelist cannot be correct for an offline node, where we might
>>>> not even have an allocated pgdat yet. No pgdat, no zonelist. So as soon as
>>>> we allocate the pgdat and set the node online (->hotadd_new_pgdat()), the zone lists have to be correct. And I can spot an build_all_zonelists() in hotadd_new_pgdat().
>>>
>>> Yes, that is what I had in mind. We are talking about two things here.
>>> Memoryless nodes and offline nodes. The later sounds like a bug to me.
>>
>> Agreed. memoryless nodes should just have proper zonelists -- which
>> seems to be the case.
>>
>>>> Maybe __alloc_pages_bulk() and alloc_pages_node() should bail out directly
>>>> (VM_BUG()) in case we're providing an offline node with eventually no/stale pgdat as
>>>> preferred nid.
>>>
>>> Historically, those allocation interfaces were not trying to be robust
>>> against wrong inputs because that adds cpu cycles for everybody for
>>> "what if buggy" code. This has worked (surprisingly) well. Memory less
>>> nodes have brought in some confusion but this is still something that we
>>> can address on a higher level. Nobody give arbitrary nodes as an input.
>>> cpu_to_node might be tricky because it can point to a memory less node
>>> which along with __GFP_THISNODE is very likely not something anybody
>>> wants. Hence cpu_to_mem should be used for allocations. I hate we have
>>> two very similar APIs...
>>
>> To be precise, I'm wondering if we should do:
>>
>> diff --git a/include/linux/gfp.h b/include/linux/gfp.h
>> index 55b2ec1f965a..8c49b88336ee 100644
>> --- a/include/linux/gfp.h
>> +++ b/include/linux/gfp.h
>> @@ -565,7 +565,7 @@ static inline struct page *
>>  __alloc_pages_node(int nid, gfp_t gfp_mask, unsigned int order)
>>  {
>>         VM_BUG_ON(nid < 0 || nid >= MAX_NUMNODES);
>> -       VM_WARN_ON((gfp_mask & __GFP_THISNODE) && !node_online(nid));
>> +       VM_WARN_ON(!node_online(nid));
>>
>>         return __alloc_pages(gfp_mask, order, nid, NULL);
>>  }
>>
>> (Or maybe VM_BUG_ON)
>>
>> Because it cannot possibly work and we'll dereference NULL later.
> 
> VM_BUG_ON would be silent for most configurations and crash would happen
> even without it so I am not sure about the additional value. VM_WARN_ON
> doesn't really add much on top - except it would crash in some
> configurations. If we really care to catch this case then we would have
> to do a reasonable fallback with a printk note and a dumps stack.

As I learned, VM_BUG_ON and friends are active for e.g., Fedora, which
can catch quite some issues early, before they end up in enterprise
distro kernels. I think it has value.

> Something like
> 	if (unlikely(!node_online(nid))) {
> 		pr_err("%d is an offline numa node and using it is a bug in a caller. Please report...\n");
> 		dump_stack();
> 		nid = numa_mem_id();
> 	}
> 
> But again this is adding quite some cycles to a hotpath of the page
> allocator. Is this worth it?

Don't think a fallback makes sense.

> 
>>> But something seems wrong in this case. cpu_to_node shouldn't return
>>> offline nodes. That is just a land mine. It is not clear to me how the
>>> cpu has been brought up so that the numa node allocation was left
>>> behind. As pointed in other email add_cpu resp. cpu_up is not it.
>>> Is it possible that the cpu bring up was only half way?
>>
>> I tried to follow the code (what sets a CPU present, what sets a CPU
>> online, when do we update cpu_to_node() mapping) and IMHO it's all a big
>> mess. Maybe it's clearer to people familiar with that code, but CPU
>> hotplug in general seems to be a confusing piece of (arch-specific) code.
> 
> Yes there are different arch specific parts that make this quite hard to
> follow.
> 
> I think we want to learn how exactly Alexey brought that cpu up. Because
> his initial thought on add_cpu resp cpu_up doesn't seem to be correct.
> Or I am just not following the code properly. Once we know all those
> details we can get in touch with cpu hotplug maintainers and see what
> can we do.

Yes.

> 
> Btw. do you plan to send a patch for pcp allocator to use cpu_to_mem?

You mean s/cpu_to_node/cpu_to_mem/ or also handling offline nids?

cpu_to_mem() corresponds to cpu_to_node() unless on ia64+ppc IIUC, so it
won't help for this very report.

> One last thing, there were some mentions of __GFP_THISNODE but I fail to
> see connection with the pcp allocator...

Me to. If pcpu would be using __GFP_THISNODE, we'd be hitting the
VM_WARN_ON but still crash.

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-02 13:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-01 20:13 [PATCH] mm: fix panic in __alloc_pages Alexey Makhalov
2021-11-01 20:38 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-11-02  7:47 ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-02  8:12   ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-02  8:48     ` Alexey Makhalov
2021-11-02  9:04       ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-02  9:24         ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-02 10:34           ` Alexey Makhalov
2021-11-02 11:00             ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-02 11:44               ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-02 12:06                 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-02 12:27                   ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-02 12:39                     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-02 13:25                       ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-02 13:41                         ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2021-11-02 14:12                           ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-02 14:44                             ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-02 13:52                         ` Oscar Salvador
2021-11-02 14:35                           ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-08  6:12                   ` Alexey Makhalov
2021-11-08  6:36                     ` [PATCH v2] " Alexey Makhalov
2021-11-08  8:32                       ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-08 20:23                         ` [PATCH v3] " Alexey Makhalov
2021-11-09  2:08                           ` Eric Dumazet
2021-11-09  7:03                             ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-09 16:55                               ` Eric Dumazet
2021-11-09 17:15                             ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-09 19:06                               ` Dennis Zhou
2021-11-09 19:54                                 ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-16  1:31                                   ` Alexey Makhalov
2021-11-16  9:17                                     ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-16 20:22                                       ` Alexey Makhalov
2021-11-18  8:35                                         ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-07 10:54                                           ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-07 11:08                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-07 12:13                                               ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-07 12:28                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-07 13:23                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-07 15:09                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-07 15:29                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-07 15:34                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-07 15:56                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-07 16:09                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-07 16:27                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-07 16:36                                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-07 16:40                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-08  8:28                                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-07 17:02                                                                   ` Alexey Makhalov
2021-12-07 17:13                                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-07 17:17                                                                       ` Alexey Makhalov
2021-12-07 18:03                                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-08  8:12                                                                           ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                                                             ` <5a44c44a-141c-363d-c23e-558edc23b9b4@redhat.com>
2021-12-08  8:34                                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-08  8:04                                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-08  8:19                                                                           ` Alexey Makhalov
2021-12-08  8:30                                                                             ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-08  8:54                                             ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-08  8:57                                               ` Alexey Makhalov
2021-12-08  9:55                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-09  2:16                                               ` Alexey Makhalov
2021-12-09  8:46                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-09  9:28                                                   ` Alexey Makhalov
2021-12-09  9:56                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-09 10:23                                                       ` Alexey Makhalov
2021-12-09 13:29                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-09 19:01                                                           ` Alexey Makhalov
2021-12-10  9:11                                                             ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-17 12:53                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-21  5:46                                                                 ` Alexey Makhalov
2021-12-21  9:46                                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-21 20:23                                                                     ` Alexey Makhalov
2021-12-22 11:41                                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-09 10:48                                             ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-13 15:06                                               ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                                 ` <ba5f460b-fc6c-601b-053c-086185fd3049@redhat.com>
2021-12-14  8:38                                                   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                               ` <20211214100732.26335-1-mhocko@kernel.org>
     [not found]                                                 ` <20211214100732.26335-3-mhocko@kernel.org>
2021-12-14 10:33                                                   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] mm: handle uninitialized numa nodes gracefully Christoph Lameter
2021-12-14 10:38                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-14  0:24                                                       ` Wei Yang
2022-01-14 10:01                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-15  4:47                                                   ` kernel test robot
2021-12-15 10:12                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-17 14:51                                                 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] mm, memory_hotplug: handle unitialized numa node gracefully David Hildenbrand
2021-12-21  9:51                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-02  7:14                                                     ` Mike Rapoport
2022-01-10 17:16                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-10 21:16                                                 ` Rafael Aquini
2022-01-11  8:34                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-08 10:37                       ` [PATCH v2] mm: fix panic in __alloc_pages Michal Hocko
2021-11-02  9:40         ` [PATCH] " Alexey Makhalov
2021-11-02  9:40         ` Michal Hocko

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