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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: zhangzihuan <zhangzihuan@kylinos.cn>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: rafael@kernel.org, len.brown@intel.com, pavel@kernel.org,
	kees@kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	vschneid@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com,
	vbabka@suse.cz, rppt@kernel.org, surenb@google.com,
	mhocko@suse.com, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] PM: Optionally block user fork during freeze to improve performance
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2025 12:50:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cd548b13-620e-4df5-9901-1702f904d470@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83513599-e007-4d07-ac28-386bc5c7552d@kylinos.cn>

On 09.06.25 06:05, zhangzihuan wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> Thanks a lot for the feedback!
> 
> 在 2025/6/6 16:22, Peter Zijlstra 写道:
>> This isn't blocking fork(), this is failing fork(). Huge difference.
>> Also problematic, because -EBUSY is not a recognised return value of
>> fork(). As such, no existing software will adequately handle it.
>>   I completely agree there's a significant difference between failing
>> and blocking fork().
> The intent was to prevent late-created user tasks from interfering with
> the freezing process, but you're right: returning -EBUSY is not valid
> for fork(), and existing user-space programs wouldn't expect or handle
> that properly.
> As a next step, I'm considering switching to a blocking mechanism
> instead — that is, have user fork() temporarily sleep if it's attempted
> during the freeze window. That should avoid breaking user-space
> expectations while still helping maintain freeze stability.
> Would that be more acceptable?

Can't this problem be mitigated by simply not scheduling the new fork'ed 
process while the system is frozen?

Or what exact scenario are you worried about?

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-10 10:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-06  6:25 [RFC PATCH] PM: Optionally block user fork during freeze to improve performance Zihuan Zhang
2025-06-06  7:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-08  7:22   ` zhangzihuan
2025-06-08 15:50     ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-06-09  3:46       ` zhangzihuan
2025-06-06  8:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-09  4:05   ` zhangzihuan
2025-06-10 10:50     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-06-13  2:37       ` Zihuan Zhang
2025-06-13  7:05         ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-16  3:46           ` Zihuan Zhang
2025-06-16  7:45             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-16 11:24               ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-18 11:30               ` Zihuan Zhang
2025-06-18 11:54                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-28 13:06                   ` Zihuan Zhang

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