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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,
	Lance Yang <ioworker0@gmail.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/2] mm: mTHP stats for pagecache folio allocations
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 12:03:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cdee4c58-49aa-4746-a6cc-8ef833f2322e@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dca879ca-e430-4759-b992-4f763344319c@arm.com>

>>>>>
>>>>> But today, controls and stats are exposed for:
>>>>>
>>>>>      anon:
>>>>>        min order: 2
>>>>>        max order: PMD_ORDER
>>>>>      anon-shmem:
>>>>>        min order: 2
>>>>>        max order: PMD_ORDER
>>>>>      tmpfs-shmem:
>>>>>        min order: PMD_ORDER
>>>>>        max order: PMD_ORDER
>>>>>      file:
>>>>>        min order: Nothing yet (this patch proposes 1)
>>>>>        max order: Nothing yet (this patch proposes MAX_PAGECACHE_ORDER)
>>>>>
>>>>> So I think there is definitely a bug for shmem where the minimum order control
>>>>> should be order-1 but its currently order-2.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe, did not play with that yet. Likely order-1 will work. (although probably
>>>> of questionable use :) )
>>>
>>> You might have to expand on why its of "questionable use". I'd assume it has the
>>> same amount of value as using order-1 for regular page cache pages? i.e. half
>>> the number of objects to manage for the same amount of memory.
>>
>> order-1 was recently added for the pagecache to get some device setups running
>> (IIRC, where we cannot use order-0, because device blocksize > PAGE_SIZE).
>>
>> You might be right about "half the number of objects", but likely just going for
>> order-2, order-3, order-4 ... for shmem might be even better. And simply falling
>> back to order-0 when you cannot get the larger orders.
> 
> Sure, but then you're into the territory of baking in policy. Remember that
> originally I was only interested in 64K but the concensus was to expose all the
> sizes. Same argument applies to 8K; expose it and let others decide policy.

I don't disagree. The point I'm trying to make is that there was so far 
there was no strong evidence that it is really required. Support for the 
pagecache had a different motivation for these special devices.

But again, I agree that we should just make it consistent and allow for 
it. :)

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-17 10:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-11  7:29 [PATCH v1 0/2] mTHP allocation stats for file-backed memory Ryan Roberts
2024-07-11  7:29 ` [PATCH v1 1/2] mm: Cleanup count_mthp_stat() definition Ryan Roberts
2024-07-11  8:20   ` Barry Song
2024-07-12  2:31   ` Baolin Wang
2024-07-12 11:57   ` Lance Yang
2024-07-11  7:29 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] mm: mTHP stats for pagecache folio allocations Ryan Roberts
2024-07-12  3:00   ` Baolin Wang
2024-07-12 12:22     ` Lance Yang
2024-07-13  1:08       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-13 10:45         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-16  8:31           ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-16 10:19             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-16 11:14               ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-17  8:02                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-17  8:29                   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-17  8:44                     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-17  9:50                       ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-17 10:03                         ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2024-07-17 10:18                           ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-17 10:25                             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-17 10:48                               ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-13 11:00     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-13 12:54       ` Baolin Wang
2024-07-14  9:05         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-22  3:52           ` Baolin Wang
2024-07-22  7:36             ` Ryan Roberts
2024-07-12 22:44   ` kernel test robot
2024-07-15 13:55     ` Ryan Roberts

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