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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Samiullah Khawaja <skhawaja@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>, Chuck Lever <cel@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Aring <alex.aring@gmail.com>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	Vivek Kasireddy <vivek.kasireddy@intel.com>,
	Jeff Xu <jeffxu@google.com>, David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>,
	Pasha Tatashin <tatashin@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] mm/memfd: add F_SEAL_PUNCH_HOLE
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2026 11:20:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d4891333-43ea-4d74-9fb9-6ad8dac1a446@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261026220546.3114241-1-skhawaja@google.com>

On 10/26/26 23:05, Samiullah Khawaja wrote:
> This series introduces F_SEAL_PUNCH_HOLE, a new memfd seal that prevents
> holes from being punched into a shmem or hugetlbfs memfd while leaving
> the file fully writable.
> 
> Background
> ==========
> 
> Drivers such as udmabuf and iommufd (via IOMMU_IOAS_MAP_FILE) use
> memfd_pin_folios() to pin the folios backing a memfd and hand them to a
> device for DMA. Pinning keeps those folios allocated, but it does not
> keep them in the file. If userspace later calls
> fallocate(FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE) or madvise(MADV_REMOVE) on the range,
> the folios are dropped from the page cache while the device continues
> to use them. The pin holder is never notified, and from that point on
> the device and the file silently diverge.

We have the exact same situation when userspace maps anonymous folios into vfio
and then desides to MADV_DONTNEED the pages. Or any other memory backend that is
used for such purposes.

User space must not zap/punch things that might be pinned elsewhere.

That's not specific to memfd, udmabuf, iommufd or anything else.

I don't see a reason to make userspace (that should not shoot itself into the
foot) a kernel feature it must activate itself to not shoot itself into the foot.

-- 
Cheers,

David


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-10-30 10:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-26 22:05 [PATCH 0/2] mm/memfd: add F_SEAL_PUNCH_HOLE Samiullah Khawaja
2026-10-26 22:05 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Samiullah Khawaja
2026-10-26 22:05 ` [PATCH 2/2] selftests/memfd: add F_SEAL_PUNCH_HOLE tests Samiullah Khawaja
2026-10-26 22:46 ` [PATCH 0/2] mm/memfd: add F_SEAL_PUNCH_HOLE Andy Lutomirski
2026-10-27 22:55   ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-10-28  3:57     ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-10-29 23:16       ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-10-30  0:26         ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-10-30  2:11           ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-10-30 12:12             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-30 14:54               ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-10-30 10:20 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-10-30 12:11   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-30 14:39     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-30 15:11       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-30 17:40       ` Samiullah Khawaja

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