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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] mm/mseal: move madvise() logic to mm/madvise.c
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 16:45:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d7959e95-c248-43f8-911f-628db9313a61@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <184d7f4b-6ffd-4047-b245-aec32ebda9d6@redhat.com>

On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 05:41:45PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 14.07.25 17:31, Pedro Falcato wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 05:03:03PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > But now I wonder, why is it okay to discard anon pages in a MAP_PRIVATE file
> > > mapping?
> >
> > IIRC this was originally suggested by Linus, on one of the versions introducing
> > mseal. But the gist is that discarding pages is okay if you could already zero
> > them manually, using e.g memset. Hence the writeability checks.
>
> What you can do is
>
> a) mmap(PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE, fd, ...)
>
> b) modify content (write, whatever)
>
> c) mprotect(PROT_READ)
>
> d) mseal()
>
> But then still do
>
> madvise(MADV_DONTNEED)
>
> to discard.
>
>
> There is no writability anymore.

Well, you can mprotect() writable it again :)

>
> (Just a note that, with hugetlb, it is fairly common to mmap(MAP_PRIVATE)
> empty files and only work with anonymous pages.)

This just makes me think that we should be checking VM_MAYWRITE anyway which
squares this circle.

Otherwise you can do 'workarounds' with mprotect() generally.

It's really only meaningful for a MAP_PRIVATE file-backed mapping of a read-only
file.

>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> David / dhildenb
>


  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-14 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-14 13:00 [PATCH 0/5] mseal cleanups Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 13:00 ` [PATCH 1/5] mm/mseal: always define VM_SEALED Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 14:31   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 15:20   ` Pedro Falcato
2025-07-14 15:32   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-07-14 13:00 ` [PATCH 2/5] mm/mseal: move madvise() logic to mm/madvise.c Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 14:37   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 14:56     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:03       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 15:18         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:24           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 15:27             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:37               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 15:31         ` Pedro Falcato
2025-07-14 15:37           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:41           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 15:45             ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2025-07-14 15:52               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 16:01                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:18   ` Pedro Falcato
2025-07-14 15:33   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-07-14 13:00 ` [PATCH 3/5] mm/mseal: small cleanups Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 14:39   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 15:23   ` Pedro Falcato
2025-07-14 15:33   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-07-14 13:00 ` [PATCH 4/5] mm/mseal: separate out and simplify VMA gap check Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 14:41   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 15:17   ` Pedro Falcato
2025-07-14 15:23     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:25       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 15:32         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:40           ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-07-14 15:35   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-07-14 15:40     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:43       ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-07-14 15:47         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 13:00 ` [PATCH 5/5] mm/mseal: rework mseal apply logic Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-14 15:26   ` Pedro Falcato

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