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I have migrated away from Gmail, but some threads are still stuck >>> there.] >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2025 at 7:35 PM David Hildenbrand wrote: >>>> >>>>>> +------------ >>>>>> +The Documentation/doc-guide/kernel-doc.rst chapter describes how to document the code using the kernel-doc format, however it does not specify the criteria to be followed for writing testable specifications; i.e. specifications that can be used to for the semantic description of low level requirements. >>>>> >>>>> Please, for any future versions, stick to the 80-column limit; this is >>>>> especially important for text files that you want humans to read. >>>>> >>>>> As a nit, you don't need to start by saying what other documents don't >>>>> do, just describe the purpose of *this* document. >>>>> >>>>> More substantially ... I got a way into this document before realizing >>>>> that you were describing an addition to the format of kerneldoc >>>>> comments. That would be good to make clear from the outset. >>>>> >>>>> What I still don't really understand is what is the *purpose* of this >>>>> formalized text? What will be consuming it? You're asking for a fair >>>>> amount of effort to write and maintain these descriptions; what's in it >>>>> for the people who do that work? >>>> >>>> I might be wrong, but sounds to me like someone intends to feed this to >>>> AI to generate tests or code. >>> >>> Absolutely not the intent. This is about the lossy process of converting human >>> ideas to code. Reliably going from code to test requires an understanding of >>> what was lost in translation. This project is about filling that gap. >> >> Thanks for clarifying. I rang my alarm bells too early :) >> >> I saw the LPC talk on this topic: >> >> https://lpc.events/event/19/contributions/2085/ >> >> With things like "a test case can be derived from the testable >> expectation" one wonders how we get from the the doc to an actual test case. > > Probably it is the term derived that can be a bit misleading. The point is that > we need documented expectations that can be used to review and verify the > test cases against; so maybe better to say "a test case can be verified against > the testable expectation" On a high level (where we usually test with things like LTP) I would usually expect that the man pages properly describe the semantics of syscalls etc. That also feels like a better place to maintain such kind of information. Having that said, man-pages are frequently a bit outdated or imprecise .. or missing. Anyhow, I guess that will all be discussed in your LPC session I assume, I'll try to attend that one, thanks! -- Cheers David / dhildenb