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From: Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v16 15/22] KVM: x86/mmu: Extend guest_memfd's max mapping level to shared mappings
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2025 09:40:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <diqzy0sccjfz.fsf@ackerleytng-ctop.c.googlers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aIOMPpTWKWoM_O5J@google.com>

Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> writes:

> On Thu, Jul 24, 2025, Ackerley Tng wrote:
>> Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com> writes:
>> >  int kvm_mmu_max_mapping_level(struct kvm *kvm, struct kvm_page_fault *fault,
>> > @@ -3362,8 +3371,9 @@ int kvm_mmu_max_mapping_level(struct kvm *kvm, struct kvm_page_fault *fault,
>> >  	if (max_level == PG_LEVEL_4K)
>> >  		return PG_LEVEL_4K;
>> >  
>> > -	if (is_private)
>> > -		host_level = kvm_max_private_mapping_level(kvm, fault, slot, gfn);
>> > +	if (is_private || kvm_memslot_is_gmem_only(slot))
>> > +		host_level = kvm_gmem_max_mapping_level(kvm, fault, slot, gfn,
>> > +							is_private);
>> >  	else
>> >  		host_level = host_pfn_mapping_level(kvm, gfn, slot);
>> 
>> No change required now, would like to point out that in this change
>> there's a bit of an assumption if kvm_memslot_is_gmem_only(), even for
>> shared pages, guest_memfd will be the only source of truth.
>
> It's not an assumption, it's a hard requirement.
>
>> This holds now because shared pages are always split to 4K, but if
>> shared pages become larger, might mapping in the host actually turn out
>> to be smaller?
>
> Yes, the host userspace mappens could be smaller, and supporting that scenario is
> very explicitly one of the design goals of guest_memfd.  From commit a7800aa80ea4
> ("KVM: Add KVM_CREATE_GUEST_MEMFD ioctl() for guest-specific backing memory"):
>
>  : A guest-first memory subsystem allows for optimizations and enhancements
>  : that are kludgy or outright infeasible to implement/support in a generic
>  : memory subsystem.  With guest_memfd, guest protections and mapping sizes
>  : are fully decoupled from host userspace mappings.   E.g. KVM currently
>  : doesn't support mapping memory as writable in the guest without it also
>  : being writable in host userspace, as KVM's ABI uses VMA protections to
>  : define the allow guest protection.  Userspace can fudge this by
>  : establishing two mappings, a writable mapping for the guest and readable
>  : one for itself, but that’s suboptimal on multiple fronts.
>  : 
>  : Similarly, KVM currently requires the guest mapping size to be a strict
>  : subset of the host userspace mapping size, e.g. KVM doesn’t support
>  : creating a 1GiB guest mapping unless userspace also has a 1GiB guest
>  : mapping.  Decoupling the mappings sizes would allow userspace to precisely
>  : map only what is needed without impacting guest performance, e.g. to
>  : harden against unintentional accesses to guest memory.

Let me try to understand this better. If/when guest_memfd supports
larger folios for shared pages, and guest_memfd returns a 2M folio from
kvm_gmem_fault_shared(), can the mapping in host userspace turn out
to be 4K?

If that happens, should kvm_gmem_max_mapping_level() return 4K for a
memslot with kvm_memslot_is_gmem_only() == true?

The above code would skip host_pfn_mapping_level() and return just what
guest_memfd reports, which is 2M.

Or do you mean that guest_memfd will be the source of truth in that it
must also know/control, in the above scenario, that the host mapping is
also 2M?


  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-25 16:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-23 10:46 [PATCH v16 00/22] KVM: Enable host userspace mapping for guest_memfd-backed memory for non-CoCo VMs Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 10:46 ` [PATCH v16 01/22] KVM: Rename CONFIG_KVM_PRIVATE_MEM to CONFIG_KVM_GUEST_MEMFD Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 10:46 ` [PATCH v16 02/22] KVM: x86: Have all vendor neutral sub-configs depend on KVM_X86, not just KVM Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 13:06   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-23 13:13   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-23 10:46 ` [PATCH v16 03/22] KVM: x86: Select KVM_GENERIC_PRIVATE_MEM directly from KVM_SW_PROTECTED_VM Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 13:13   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-23 13:17   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-23 10:46 ` [PATCH v16 04/22] KVM: x86: Select TDX's KVM_GENERIC_xxx dependencies iff CONFIG_KVM_INTEL_TDX=y Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 13:14   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-23 13:22   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-24 22:35     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-23 10:46 ` [PATCH v16 05/22] KVM: Rename CONFIG_KVM_GENERIC_PRIVATE_MEM to CONFIG_HAVE_KVM_ARCH_GMEM_POPULATE Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 13:27   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-24 22:41     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-25 15:13       ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-23 10:46 ` [PATCH v16 06/22] KVM: Rename kvm_slot_can_be_private() to kvm_slot_has_gmem() Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 10:46 ` [PATCH v16 07/22] KVM: Fix comments that refer to slots_lock Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 10:47 ` [PATCH v16 08/22] KVM: Fix comment that refers to kvm uapi header path Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 10:47 ` [PATCH v16 09/22] KVM: x86: Enable KVM_GUEST_MEMFD for all 64-bit builds Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 13:17   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-23 13:42   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-23 10:47 ` [PATCH v16 10/22] KVM: guest_memfd: Add plumbing to host to map guest_memfd pages Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 14:03   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-24 22:33     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-23 10:47 ` [PATCH v16 11/22] KVM: guest_memfd: Track guest_memfd mmap support in memslot Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 10:47 ` [PATCH v16 12/22] KVM: x86/mmu: Rename .private_max_mapping_level() to .gmem_max_mapping_level() Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 10:47 ` [PATCH v16 13/22] KVM: x86/mmu: Hoist guest_memfd max level/order helpers "up" in mmu.c Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 13:51   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-24 23:03   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-24 23:04   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-23 10:47 ` [PATCH v16 14/22] KVM: x86/mmu: Enforce guest_memfd's max order when recovering hugepages Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 13:55   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-07-24 22:32     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-24 23:21       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-24 23:34         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-25 14:31           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-25 17:24             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-25 19:16               ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-23 10:47 ` [PATCH v16 15/22] KVM: x86/mmu: Extend guest_memfd's max mapping level to shared mappings Fuad Tabba
2025-07-24 23:31   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-25 13:53     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-25 16:40       ` Ackerley Tng [this message]
2025-07-25 17:13         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-25 19:34           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-25 19:52             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-25 21:31               ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-25 22:01                 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-25 22:25                   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-23 10:47 ` [PATCH v16 16/22] KVM: arm64: Refactor user_mem_abort() Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 10:47 ` [PATCH v16 17/22] KVM: arm64: Handle guest_memfd-backed guest page faults Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 10:47 ` [PATCH v16 18/22] KVM: arm64: nv: Handle VNCR_EL2-triggered faults backed by guest_memfd Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 10:47 ` [PATCH v16 19/22] KVM: arm64: Enable support for guest_memfd backed memory Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 10:47 ` [PATCH v16 20/22] KVM: Allow and advertise support for host mmap() on guest_memfd files Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 10:47 ` [PATCH v16 21/22] KVM: selftests: Do not use hardcoded page sizes in guest_memfd test Fuad Tabba
2025-07-23 10:47 ` [PATCH v16 22/22] KVM: selftests: guest_memfd mmap() test when mmap is supported Fuad Tabba
2025-07-24 22:15   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-28  7:00     ` Fuad Tabba
2025-07-24 22:44 ` [PATCH v16 00/22] KVM: Enable host userspace mapping for guest_memfd-backed memory for non-CoCo VMs Sean Christopherson
2025-07-24 23:46 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-25 14:56   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-28  7:05     ` Fuad Tabba

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