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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] mm/gup: remove (VM_)BUG_ONs
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2025 20:36:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e0f17454-241c-4a88-be32-ea34d3769930@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5d0d0542-5994-49e1-820a-02fd7e7551c5@nvidia.com>

On 06.06.25 20:31, John Hubbard wrote:
> ...
>>>>> David, what do you think?
>>>>
>>>> Well, in this patch here I deliberately want _ONCE for the unpin sanity
>>>> checks. Because if they start happening (IOW, now after 5 years observed
>>>> for the first time?) I *absolutely don't* want to get flooded and
>>>> *really* figure out what is going on by seeing what else failed.
>>>>
>>>> And crashing on VM_BUG_ON() and not observing anything else was also not
>>>> particularly helpful :)
>>>>
>>>> Because ... they shouldn't be happening ...
>>>>
>>>> (well, it goes back to my initial point about requiring individual
>>>> decisions etc ...)
>>>>
>>>> Not sure what's best now in the general case, in the end I don't care
>>>> that much.
>>>>
>>>> Roll a dice? ;)
>>>
>>> One last data point: I've often logged onto systems that were running
>>> long enough that the dmesg had long since rolled over. And this makes
>>> the WARN_ON_ONCE() items disappear.
>>
>> I think what would be *really* helpful would be quick access to the very
>> first warning that triggered. At least that's what I usually dig for ... :)
>>
> 
> These two use cases cannot be simultaneously solved, at least not
> perfectly.

I guess we'd have to store the first WARN data separately away, just 
like when tainting the kernel or so. Not sure.

Fortunately, since a VM_BUG_ON() case cannot ever happen,

I mean, also WARN and friends are for things that should never happen ... :)

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-06 18:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-04 14:05 [PATCH v1] mm/gup: remove (VM_)BUG_ONs David Hildenbrand
2025-06-04 14:22 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-04 14:26   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-06-04 14:48 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-04 14:58   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-04 15:44     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-04 15:42   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-06-04 16:05     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-04 15:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-04 16:01   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-04 17:25 ` SeongJae Park
2025-06-04 19:12 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-06-04 19:16   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-05  1:07 ` John Hubbard
2025-06-05  5:37   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-05  6:08     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-05  8:48       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-05 12:29         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-05  7:10 ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06  8:10   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06  8:31     ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06  9:01       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 10:13         ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06 10:19           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 10:28             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 11:04               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 11:44                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 11:56                   ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06 12:12                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 12:17                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 17:57                 ` John Hubbard
2025-06-06 18:06                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 18:15                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 18:21                       ` John Hubbard
2025-06-06 18:23                         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 18:31                           ` John Hubbard
2025-06-06 18:36                             ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-06-06 18:39                               ` John Hubbard
2025-06-06 18:34                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 18:42                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-06 18:46                             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 19:03                               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-07 13:42                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-07 13:53                                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-07 18:00                                     ` John Hubbard
2025-06-09  9:57                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-24 10:54                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-24 10:56                                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 17:27                                             ` John Hubbard
2025-06-11  9:32                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-11 12:03                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-11 12:06                                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 10:28             ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06 10:27           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06  8:12 ` David Hildenbrand

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