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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 00/13] khugepaged: mTHP support
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2025 16:10:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e34e1ffe-c377-4c9a-b28b-ca873f3620ac@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bdbb5168-7657-4f11-a42d-b75cce7e0bca@lucifer.local>

>> Once could also easily support the value 255 (HPAGE_PMD_NR / 2- 1), but not sure
>> if we have to add that for now.
> 
> Yeah not so sure about this, this is a 'just have to know' too, and yes you
> might add it to the docs, but people are going to be mightily confused, esp if
> it's a calculated value.
> 
> I don't see any other way around having a separate tunable if we don't just have
> something VERY simple like on/off.

Yeah, not advocating that we add support for other values than 0/511, 
really.

> 
> Also the mentioned issue sounds like something that needs to be fixed elsewhere
> honestly in the algorithm used to figure out mTHP ranges (I may be wrong - and
> happy to stand corrected if this is somehow inherent, but reallly feels that
> way).

I think the creep is unavoidable for certain values.

If you have the first two pages of a PMD area populated, and you allow 
for at least half of the #PTEs to be non/zero, you'd collapse first a
order-2 folio, then and order-3 ... until you reached PMD order.

So for now we really should just support 0 / 511 to say "don't collapse 
if there are holes" vs. "always collapse if there is at least one pte used".

> 
>>
>> Because, as raised in the past, I'm afraid nobody on this earth has a clue how
>> to set this parameter to values different to 0 (don't waste memory with khugepaged)
>> and 511 (page fault behavior).
> 
> Yup
> 
>>
>>
>> If any other value is set, essentially
>> 	pr_warn("Unsupported 'max_ptes_none' value for mTHP collapse");
>>
>> for now and just disable it.
> 
> Hmm but under what circumstances? I would just say unsupported value not mention
> mTHP or people who don't use mTHP might find that confusing.

Well, we can check whether any mTHP size is enabled while the value is 
set to something unexpected. We can then even print the problematic 
sizes if we have to.

We could also just just say that if the value is set to something else 
than 511 (which is the default), it will be treated as being "0" when 
collapsing mthp, instead of doing any scaling.

-- 
Cheers

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-22 14:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-19 13:41 [PATCH v10 00/13] khugepaged: mTHP support Nico Pache
2025-08-19 13:41 ` [PATCH v10 01/13] khugepaged: rename hpage_collapse_* to collapse_* Nico Pache
2025-08-20 10:42   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-19 13:41 ` [PATCH v10 02/13] introduce collapse_single_pmd to unify khugepaged and madvise_collapse Nico Pache
2025-08-20 11:21   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-20 16:35     ` Nico Pache
2025-08-22 10:21       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-26 13:30         ` Nico Pache
2025-08-19 13:41 ` [PATCH v10 03/13] khugepaged: generalize hugepage_vma_revalidate for mTHP support Nico Pache
2025-08-20 13:23   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-20 15:40     ` Nico Pache
2025-08-21  3:41       ` Wei Yang
2025-08-21 14:09         ` Zi Yan
2025-08-22 10:25           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-24  1:37   ` Wei Yang
2025-08-26 13:46     ` Nico Pache
2025-08-19 13:41 ` [PATCH v10 04/13] khugepaged: generalize alloc_charge_folio() Nico Pache
2025-08-20 13:28   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-19 13:41 ` [PATCH v10 05/13] khugepaged: generalize __collapse_huge_page_* for mTHP support Nico Pache
2025-08-20 14:22   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-01 16:15     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-19 13:41 ` [PATCH v10 06/13] khugepaged: add " Nico Pache
2025-08-20 18:29   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-02 20:12     ` Nico Pache
2025-08-19 13:41 ` [PATCH v10 07/13] khugepaged: skip collapsing mTHP to smaller orders Nico Pache
2025-08-21 12:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-21 12:33     ` Dev Jain
2025-08-22 10:33       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-21 16:54     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-21 16:56       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-19 13:42 ` [PATCH v10 08/13] khugepaged: avoid unnecessary mTHP collapse attempts Nico Pache
2025-08-20 10:38   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-19 13:42 ` [PATCH v10 09/13] khugepaged: enable collapsing mTHPs even when PMD THPs are disabled Nico Pache
2025-08-21 13:35   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-19 13:42 ` [PATCH v10 10/13] khugepaged: kick khugepaged for enabling none-PMD-sized mTHPs Nico Pache
2025-08-21 14:18   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-21 14:26     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-22  6:59     ` Baolin Wang
2025-08-22  7:36       ` Dev Jain
2025-08-19 13:42 ` [PATCH v10 11/13] khugepaged: improve tracepoints for mTHP orders Nico Pache
2025-08-21 14:24   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-19 14:16 ` [PATCH v10 12/13] khugepaged: add per-order mTHP khugepaged stats Nico Pache
2025-08-21 14:47   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-19 14:17 ` [PATCH v10 13/13] Documentation: mm: update the admin guide for mTHP collapse Nico Pache
2025-08-21 15:03   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-19 21:55 ` [PATCH v10 00/13] khugepaged: mTHP support Andrew Morton
2025-08-20 15:55   ` Nico Pache
2025-08-21 15:01 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-21 15:13   ` Dev Jain
2025-08-21 15:19     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-21 15:25       ` Nico Pache
2025-08-21 15:27         ` Nico Pache
2025-08-21 15:32           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-21 16:46             ` Nico Pache
2025-08-21 16:54               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-21 17:26                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-21 20:43                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-22 10:41                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-22 14:10                     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-08-22 14:49                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-22 15:33                         ` Dev Jain
2025-08-26 10:43                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-28  9:46                       ` Baolin Wang
2025-08-28 10:48                         ` Dev Jain
2025-08-29  1:55                           ` Baolin Wang
2025-09-01 16:46                             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02  2:28                               ` Baolin Wang
2025-09-02  9:03                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 10:34                                   ` Usama Arif
2025-09-02 11:03                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-02 20:23                                       ` Usama Arif
2025-09-03  3:27                                         ` Baolin Wang
2025-08-21 16:38     ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-01 16:21 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-01 17:06   ` David Hildenbrand

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