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From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] mm/gup: remove (VM_)BUG_ONs
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2025 10:57:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e898e52e-a223-4567-9514-b4a021b5d460@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1a7513cf-4a0a-4e58-b20d-31c1370b760f@lucifer.local>

On 6/6/25 4:04 AM, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 12:28:28PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 06.06.25 12:19, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 12:13:27PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
>>>> On Fri 06-06-25 11:01:18, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>>> On 06.06.25 10:31, Michal Hocko wrote:
>>>> [...]
> So to me the only assessment needed is 'do we want to warn on this or not?'.
> 
> And as you say, really WARN_ON_ONCE() seems appropriate, because nearly always
> we will get flooded with useless information.
> 

As yet another victim of such WARN_ON() floods at times, I've followed
this thread with great interest. And after reflecting on it a bit, I believe
that, surprisingly enough, WARN_ON() is a better replacement for VM_BUG_ON()
than WARN_ON_ONCE(), because:

* The only time you'll be flooded with WARN_ON() messages is when *two*
things happen at once:

    a) Something that used to completely crash the machine (a VM_BUG_ON
       condition) happens, and

    b) You're in a loop and it keeps on happening. Yes, in -mm, that does
       happen a lot (per-page loops, for example), but still.

* It's *so* easy to miss a WARN_ON_ONCE(). We don't want that, not for a
critical failure case that used to be a VM_BUG_ON().


thanks,
-- 
John Hubbard



  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-06-06 17:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-04 14:05 [PATCH v1] mm/gup: remove (VM_)BUG_ONs David Hildenbrand
2025-06-04 14:22 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-04 14:26   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-06-04 14:48 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-04 14:58   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-04 15:44     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-04 15:42   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-06-04 16:05     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-04 15:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-04 16:01   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-04 17:25 ` SeongJae Park
2025-06-04 19:12 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-06-04 19:16   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-05  1:07 ` John Hubbard
2025-06-05  5:37   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-05  6:08     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-05  8:48       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-05 12:29         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-05  7:10 ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06  8:10   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06  8:31     ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06  9:01       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 10:13         ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06 10:19           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 10:28             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 11:04               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 11:44                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 11:56                   ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06 12:12                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 12:17                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 17:57                 ` John Hubbard [this message]
2025-06-06 18:06                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 18:15                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 18:21                       ` John Hubbard
2025-06-06 18:23                         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 18:31                           ` John Hubbard
2025-06-06 18:36                             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 18:39                               ` John Hubbard
2025-06-06 18:34                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 18:42                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-06 18:46                             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 19:03                               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-07 13:42                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-07 13:53                                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-07 18:00                                     ` John Hubbard
2025-06-09  9:57                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-24 10:54                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-24 10:56                                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 17:27                                             ` John Hubbard
2025-06-11  9:32                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-11 12:03                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-11 12:06                                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 10:28             ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06 10:27           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06  8:12 ` David Hildenbrand

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