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> > There's a regression: the lockless read loses on large reads from large > folios. > > In a 64-vCPU guest on a Threadripper 7975WX, 1 MiB reads of a cached > ext4 file are 9% slower from one thread with rcu-free-v3 than without > it, 64K reads 4% slower. > > The reference path looks a large folio up once and copies it in one go. > The lockless one walks i_pages from the root and calls > copy_page_to_iter() for every 4K page. > > I've added a cutoff to the lockless path: if the folio is large and the > read covers more than four of its pages, leave it to the slow path, > where one reference covers all of them. > > if (folio != prev) { > if (!filemap_read_rcu_can_copy(folio, index, *last_index)) > break; > /* Many pages of a large folio: one reference is cheaper */ > if (folio_test_large(folio) && > min_t(unsigned long, folio_next_index(folio) - index, > DIV_ROUND_UP(offset + iov_iter_count(iter), > PAGE_SIZE)) > 4) > break; > prev = folio; > } > > With it, ext4 1 MiB reads match base and 64K reads are within 2%. Small > reads do not change. The cut is on the folio, not on the read size, so > files in 4K folios keep the gain on large reads: 1 MiB tmpfs reads from > one thread are ~30% faster than base. > > Sounds reasonable? > > I've pushed my tree here: > > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/kas/linux.git rcu-free/rfc-v1 > > I'm thinking of posting it as an RFC to make it easier to review. > Objections? Yes please. I spent 6 hours today fixing all sorts of bugs after wanting to get something rather trivial fixed. I need the patch in my inbox to not get distracted by all the other stuff :) -- Cheers, David