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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Server: rspam02 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0375F20007 X-Stat-Signature: 9jmt6iqugmn4jr34z1ajhfnfx6rmq4se X-Rspam-User: X-HE-Tag: 1773904886-344575 X-HE-Meta: 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 gE2Vltmc LL0Xl1IiBWDrnrDQCKqCFD1cf+waIRBx7k7gBeZUHVRumb+l/X0oXw33aqeU1VwLJLpKQEyPNYD0JKz6lidVHGs+S0Y4ZCkEHhZOdFSQp6uOh7GNAb5SINQDsFmTF9Sr19mf9AY3kJYDb1fDvMfYfcj3IzKIbW3KY7Ut6Y4HUKqr94kfZ5op1+cxW407Vy8kkRZZJReuLxpTv+O8GRXd4IwpUe16SQQVI6U724xNQLHQCNuYO6S564FmTJ2oDYCaDLhUgJgjC5ACeDnaUHViJGa7H1OHG/ZG657I+mvoVUFrooH9+5+6tL0yU3w== Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: >> >> So, in all anon alloc paths, we essentialy have >> >> 1) vma_alloc_folio / __folio_alloc (khugepaged being odd) >> 2) mem_cgroup_charge / mem_cgroup_swapin_charge_folio >> 3) memcg_list_lru_alloc_folio >> >> I wonder if we could do better in most cases and have something like a >> >> vma_alloc_anon_folio() >> >> That wraps the vma_alloc_folio() + memcg_list_lru_alloc_folio(), but >> still leaves the charging to the caller? > > Hm, but it's the charging that figures out the memcg and sets > folio_memcg() :( Oh ... right. I guess we would then have to do all 3 things at the same time, which makes the helper a bit more involved. I'll note that collapse_file() also calls alloc_charge_folio(), but not for allocating an anonymous folio that would have to be placed on the deferred split queue. > >> The would at least combine 1) and 3) in a single API. (except for the >> odd cases without a VMA). >> >> I guess we would want to skip the memcg_list_lru_alloc_folio() for >> order-0 folios, correct? > > Yeah, we don't use the queue for < order-1. In deferred_split_folio(): > > /* > * Order 1 folios have no space for a deferred list, but we also > * won't waste much memory by not adding them to the deferred list. > */ > if (folio_order(folio) <= 1) > return; > >>> @@ -3802,33 +3706,28 @@ static int __folio_freeze_and_split_unmapped(struct folio *folio, unsigned int n >>> struct folio *new_folio, *next; >>> int old_order = folio_order(folio); >>> int ret = 0; >>> - struct deferred_split *ds_queue; >>> + struct list_lru_one *l; >>> >>> VM_WARN_ON_ONCE(!mapping && end); >>> /* Prevent deferred_split_scan() touching ->_refcount */ >>> - ds_queue = folio_split_queue_lock(folio); >>> + rcu_read_lock(); >> >> The RCU lock is for the folio_memcg(), right? >> >> I recall I raised in the past that some get/put-like logic (that wraps >> the rcu_read_lock() + folio_memcg()) might make this a lot easier to get. >> >> >> memcg = folio_memcg_lookup(folio) >> >> ... do stuff >> >> folio_memcg_putback(folio, memcg); >> >> Or sth like that. >> >> >> Alternativey, you could have some helpers that do the >> list_lru_lock+unlock etc. >> >> folio_memcg_list_lru_lock() >> ... >> folio_memcg_list_ru_unlock(l); >> >> Just some thoughts as inspiration :) > > I remember you raising this in the objcg + reparenting patches. There > are a few more instances of > > rcu_read_lock() > foo = folio_memcg() > ... > rcu_read_unlock() > > in other parts of the code not touched by these patches here, so the > first pattern is a more universal encapsulation. > > Let me look into this. Would you be okay with a follow-up that covers > the others as well? Of course :) If list_lru lock helpers would be the right thing to do, it might be better placed in this series. -- Cheers, David