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From: "Thomas Hellström" <thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com>
To: Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: "Matthew Brost" <matthew.brost@intel.com>,
	intel-xe@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Simona Vetter" <simona.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	"Dave Airlie" <airlied@gmail.com>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/6] mm/mmu_notifier: Allow multiple struct mmu_interval_notifier passes
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 13:33:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e96dcfd4ce7c84a5b66ff9d5f082ea209266ce48.camel@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4lsv2lcd7lssyvcjvkqe4t2foubxbhuxrt2ptzee3csymz5gg3@jwrg3xow72lm>

On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 19:55 +1000, Alistair Popple wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 01:46:55PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 09:44:01AM -0700, Matthew Brost wrote:
> > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 01:36:17PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 09:25:20AM -0700, Matthew Brost wrote:
> > > > > I think this choice makes sense: it allows embedding the wait
> > > > > state from
> > > > > the initial notifier call into the pass structure. Patch [6]
> > > > > shows this
> > > > > by attaching the issued TLB invalidation fences to the pass.
> > > > > Since a
> > > > > single notifier may be invoked multiple times with different
> > > > > ranges but
> > > > > the same seqno,
> > > > 
> > > > That should be explained, but also seems to be a bit of a
> > > > different
> > > > issue..
> > > > 
> > > > If the design is really to only have two passes and this linked
> > > > list
> > > > is about retaining state then there should not be so much
> > > > freedom to
> > > > have more passes.
> > > 
> > > I’ll let Thomas weigh in on whether we really need more than two
> > > passes;
> > > my feeling is that two passes are likely sufficient. It’s also
> > > worth
> > > noting that the linked list has an added benefit: the notifier
> > > tree only
> > > needs to be walked once (a small time-complexity win).
> > 
> > You may end up keeping the linked list just with no way to add a
> > third
> > pass.
> 
> It seems to me though that linked list still adds unnecessary
> complexity. I
> think this would all be much easier to follow if we just added two
> new callbacks
> - invalidate_start() and invalidate_end() say.

One thing that the linked list avoids, though, is traversing the
interval tree two times. It has O(n*log(n)) whereas the linked list
overhead is just O(n_2pass).

> 
> Admitedly that would still require the linked list (or something
> similar) to
> retain the ability to hold/pass a context between the start and end
> callbacks.
> Which is bit annoying, it's a pity we need to allocate memory in a
> performance
> sensitive path to effectively pass (at least in this case) a single
> pointer. I
> can't think of any obvious solutions to that though.

One idea is for any two-pass notifier implementation to use a small
pool. That would also to some extent mitigate the risk of out-of-memory
with GFP_NOWAIT.

/Thomas


> 
> > Jason
> > 



  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-19 11:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-09 13:51 [RFC PATCH 0/6] Multi-pass MMU interval notifiers Thomas Hellström
2025-08-09 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] mm/mmu_notifier: Allow multiple struct mmu_interval_notifier passes Thomas Hellström
2025-08-18 16:07   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-18 16:25     ` Matthew Brost
2025-08-18 16:36       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-18 16:42         ` Thomas Hellström
2025-08-18 16:45           ` Matthew Brost
2025-08-18 16:44         ` Matthew Brost
2025-08-18 16:46           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-19  9:55             ` Alistair Popple
2025-08-19 11:33               ` Thomas Hellström [this message]
2025-08-19 15:35                 ` Matthew Brost
2025-08-21  9:34                   ` Thomas Hellström
2025-08-19 10:03   ` Alistair Popple
2025-08-19 11:35     ` Thomas Hellström
2025-08-09 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] drm/gpusvm: Update GPU SVM / Xe to twopass MMU notifier Thomas Hellström
2025-08-09 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] drm/gpusvm: Add drm_gpusvm_in_notifier_* helpers Thomas Hellström
2025-08-09 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] drm/xe: Skip waiting on unarmed fences in xe_gt_tlb_invalidation_fence_wait Thomas Hellström
2025-08-09 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] drm/xe: Add fences argument to xe_vm_range_tilemask_tlb_invalidation Thomas Hellström
2025-08-09 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] drm/xe: Implement two pass MMU notifiers for SVM Thomas Hellström
2025-08-11 20:46   ` Matthew Brost
2025-08-12  9:06     ` Thomas Hellström

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