From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 07/22] x86/virt/tdx: Add skeleton to enable TDX on demand
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 07:40:55 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <eb83e722-0379-1451-9c9c-9b9de33cb4cb@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230703104942.GG4253@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On 7/3/23 03:49, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> There are also latency and noisy neighbor concerns, e.g. we *really* don't want
>> to end up in a situation where creating a TDX guest for a customer can observe
>> arbitrary latency *and* potentially be disruptive to VMs already running on the
>> host.
> Well, that's a quality of implementation issue with the whole TDX
> crapola. Sounds like we want to impose latency constraints on the
> various TDX calls. Allowing it to consume arbitrary amounts of CPU time
> is unacceptable in any case.
For what it's worth, everybody knew that calling into the TDX module was
going to be a black hole and that consuming large amounts of CPU at
random times would drive people bat guano crazy.
The TDX Module ABI spec does have "Leaf Function Latency" warnings for
some of the module calls. But, it's basically a binary thing. A call
is either normal or "longer than most".
The majority of the "longer than most" cases are for initialization.
The _most_ obscene runtime ones are chunked up and can return partial
progress to limit latency spikes. But I don't think folks tried as hard
on the initialization calls since they're only called once which
actually seems pretty reasonable to me.
Maybe we need three classes of "Leaf Function Latency":
1. Sane
2. "Longer than most"
3. Better turn the NMI watchdog off before calling this. :)
Would that help?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-07-03 14:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 159+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-06-26 14:12 [PATCH v12 00/22] TDX host kernel support Kai Huang
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 01/22] x86/tdx: Define TDX supported page sizes as macros Kai Huang
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 02/22] x86/virt/tdx: Detect TDX during kernel boot Kai Huang
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 03/22] x86/virt/tdx: Make INTEL_TDX_HOST depend on X86_X2APIC Kai Huang
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 04/22] x86/cpu: Detect TDX partial write machine check erratum Kai Huang
2023-06-29 11:22 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 05/22] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL infrastructure Kai Huang
2023-06-27 9:48 ` kirill.shutemov
2023-06-27 10:28 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-27 11:36 ` kirill.shutemov
2023-06-28 0:19 ` Isaku Yamahata
2023-06-28 3:09 ` Chao Gao
2023-06-28 3:34 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-28 11:50 ` kirill.shutemov
2023-06-28 23:31 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-29 11:25 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-06-28 12:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-28 13:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-28 23:25 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-29 10:15 ` kirill.shutemov
2023-06-28 23:21 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-29 3:40 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 06/22] x86/virt/tdx: Handle SEAMCALL running out of entropy error Kai Huang
2023-06-28 13:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-28 23:30 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 07/22] x86/virt/tdx: Add skeleton to enable TDX on demand Kai Huang
2023-06-26 21:21 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2023-06-27 10:37 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-27 9:50 ` kirill.shutemov
2023-06-27 10:34 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-27 12:18 ` kirill.shutemov
2023-06-27 22:37 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-28 0:28 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-28 11:55 ` kirill.shutemov
2023-06-28 13:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-29 0:15 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-30 9:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-30 10:09 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-30 18:42 ` Isaku Yamahata
2023-07-01 8:15 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-28 0:31 ` Isaku Yamahata
2023-06-28 13:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-29 0:00 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-30 9:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-30 9:48 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-28 13:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-29 0:08 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-28 13:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-29 0:10 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-30 9:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-30 9:55 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-30 18:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-30 19:05 ` Isaku Yamahata
2023-06-30 21:24 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-06-30 21:58 ` Dan Williams
2023-06-30 23:13 ` Dave Hansen
2023-07-03 10:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-03 10:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-03 14:40 ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2023-07-03 15:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-03 15:26 ` Dave Hansen
2023-07-03 17:55 ` kirill.shutemov
2023-07-03 18:26 ` Dave Hansen
2023-07-05 7:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-04 16:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-04 21:50 ` Huang, Kai
2023-07-05 7:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-05 7:54 ` Huang, Kai
2023-07-05 14:34 ` Dave Hansen
2023-07-05 14:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-06 14:49 ` Dave Hansen
2023-07-10 17:58 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-06-29 11:31 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-06-29 22:58 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 08/22] x86/virt/tdx: Get information about TDX module and TDX-capable memory Kai Huang
2023-06-27 9:51 ` kirill.shutemov
2023-06-27 10:45 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-27 11:37 ` kirill.shutemov
2023-06-27 11:46 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-28 14:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-29 9:15 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-30 9:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-30 9:58 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 09/22] x86/virt/tdx: Use all system memory when initializing TDX module as TDX memory Kai Huang
2023-06-28 14:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-29 0:57 ` Huang, Kai
2023-07-11 11:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-11 12:27 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 10/22] x86/virt/tdx: Add placeholder to construct TDMRs to cover all TDX memory regions Kai Huang
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 11/22] x86/virt/tdx: Fill out " Kai Huang
2023-07-04 7:28 ` Yuan Yao
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 12/22] x86/virt/tdx: Allocate and set up PAMTs for TDMRs Kai Huang
2023-06-27 9:51 ` kirill.shutemov
2023-07-04 7:40 ` Yuan Yao
2023-07-04 8:59 ` Huang, Kai
2023-07-11 11:42 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-11 11:49 ` Huang, Kai
2023-07-11 11:55 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 13/22] x86/virt/tdx: Designate reserved areas for all TDMRs Kai Huang
2023-07-05 5:29 ` Yuan Yao
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 14/22] x86/virt/tdx: Configure TDX module with the TDMRs and global KeyID Kai Huang
2023-07-05 6:49 ` Yuan Yao
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 15/22] x86/virt/tdx: Configure global KeyID on all packages Kai Huang
2023-07-05 8:13 ` Yuan Yao
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 16/22] x86/virt/tdx: Initialize all TDMRs Kai Huang
2023-07-06 5:31 ` Yuan Yao
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 17/22] x86/kexec: Flush cache of TDX private memory Kai Huang
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 18/22] x86/virt/tdx: Keep TDMRs when module initialization is successful Kai Huang
2023-06-28 9:04 ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-06-29 1:03 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-28 12:23 ` kirill.shutemov
2023-06-28 12:48 ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-06-29 0:24 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 19/22] x86/kexec(): Reset TDX private memory on platforms with TDX erratum Kai Huang
2023-06-28 9:20 ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-06-29 0:32 ` Dave Hansen
2023-06-29 0:58 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-29 3:19 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-29 5:38 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-29 9:45 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-29 9:48 ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-06-28 12:29 ` kirill.shutemov
2023-06-29 0:27 ` Huang, Kai
2023-07-07 4:01 ` Yuan Yao
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 20/22] x86/virt/tdx: Allow SEAMCALL to handle #UD and #GP Kai Huang
2023-06-28 12:32 ` kirill.shutemov
2023-06-28 15:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-28 20:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-28 21:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-28 21:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-30 9:03 ` kirill.shutemov
2023-06-30 10:02 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-30 10:22 ` kirill.shutemov
2023-06-30 11:06 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-29 10:33 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-30 10:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-30 10:18 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-30 15:16 ` Dave Hansen
2023-07-01 8:16 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-30 10:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-30 11:05 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-30 12:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-30 15:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-03 12:15 ` Huang, Kai
2023-07-05 10:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-05 11:34 ` Huang, Kai
2023-07-05 12:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-05 12:53 ` Huang, Kai
2023-07-05 20:56 ` Isaku Yamahata
2023-07-05 12:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-29 11:16 ` kirill.shutemov
2023-06-29 10:00 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 21/22] x86/mce: Improve error log of kernel space TDX #MC due to erratum Kai Huang
2023-06-28 12:38 ` kirill.shutemov
2023-07-07 7:26 ` Yuan Yao
2023-06-26 14:12 ` [PATCH v12 22/22] Documentation/x86: Add documentation for TDX host support Kai Huang
2023-06-28 7:04 ` [PATCH v12 00/22] TDX host kernel support Yuan Yao
2023-06-28 8:12 ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-29 1:01 ` Yuan Yao
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