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From: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
To: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@redhat.com, ziy@nvidia.com,
	baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com,
	Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, npache@redhat.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com,
	dev.jain@arm.com, hannes@cmpxchg.org, usamaarif642@gmail.com,
	gutierrez.asier@huawei-partners.com, willy@infradead.org,
	ast@kernel.org, daniel@iogearbox.net, andrii@kernel.org,
	ameryhung@gmail.com, rientjes@google.com, corbet@lwn.net,
	21cnbao@gmail.com, shakeel.butt@linux.dev, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 mm-new 02/10] mm: thp: add support for BPF based THP order selection
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2025 11:04:58 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f1b2fe3d-e8d4-47a7-b369-ee826fec0e7c@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALOAHbAfzDNdx5LTUhH+eMgVfdG35gAM5subeByP97x53=CWLw@mail.gmail.com>



On 2025/9/11 10:48, Yafang Shao wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 9:57 PM Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev> wrote:
[...]
>>>>> +/**
>>>>> + * @thp_order_fn_t: Get the suggested THP orders from a BPF program for allocation
>>>>> + * @vma: vm_area_struct associated with the THP allocation
>>>>> + * @vma_type: The VMA type, such as BPF_THP_VM_HUGEPAGE if VM_HUGEPAGE is set
>>>>> + *            BPF_THP_VM_NOHUGEPAGE if VM_NOHUGEPAGE is set, or BPF_THP_VM_NONE if
>>>>> + *            neither is set.
>>>>> + * @tva_type: TVA type for current @vma
>>>>> + * @orders: Bitmask of requested THP orders for this allocation
>>>>> + *          - PMD-mapped allocation if PMD_ORDER is set
>>>>> + *          - mTHP allocation otherwise
>>>>> + *
>>>>> + * Return: The suggested THP order from the BPF program for allocation. It will
>>>>> + *         not exceed the highest requested order in @orders. Return -1 to
>>>>> + *         indicate that the original requested @orders should remain unchanged.
>>>>
>>>> A minor documentation nit: the comment says "Return -1 to indicate that the
>>>> original requested @orders should remain unchanged". It might be slightly
>>>> clearer to say "Return a negative value to fall back to the original
>>>> behavior". This would cover all error codes as well ;)
> 
> will change it.

Please feel free to change it ;)

> 
>>>>
[...]
>>>>
>>>> Also, for future extensions, it might be a good idea to add a reserved
>>>> flags argument to the thp_order_fn_t signature.
>>>>
>>>> For example thp_order_fn_t(..., unsigned long flags).
>>>>
>>>> This would give us aforward-compatible way to add new semantics later
>>>> without breaking the ABI and needing a v2. We could just require it to be
>>>> 0 for now.
> 
> That makes sense. However, as Lorenzo mentioned previously, we should
> keep the interface as minimal as possible.

Got it.

[...]
>> Forgot to add:
>>
>> Noticed that if the hook returns 0, bpf_hook_thp_get_orders() falls
>> back to 'orders', preventing us from dynamically disabling mTHP
>> allocations.
> 
> Could you please clarify what you mean by that?
> 
> +       thp_order = bpf_hook_thp_get_order(vma, vma_type, tva_type, orders);
> +       if (thp_order < 0)
> +               goto out;
> 
> In my implementation, it only falls back to @orders if the return
> value is negative. If the return value is 0, it uses BIT(0):

My bad, I completely misread the code last night ...

I see now that returning 0 forces a base page (order-0)

> 
> +       if (thp_order <= highest_order(orders))
> +               thp_orders = BIT(thp_order);

Yes, this is exactly the behavior we need. It will allow us to dynamically
disable mTHP for low-priority containers when we need to, which is perfect
for our use case!

> 
>>
>> Honoring a return of 0 is critical for our use case, which is to
>> dynamically disable mTHP for low-priority containers when memory gets
>> low in mixed workloads.
>>
>> And then re-enable it for them when memory is back above the low
>> watermark.
> 
> Thank you for detailing your use case; that context is very helpful.

Cheers,
Lance


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-11  3:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-10  2:44 [PATCH v7 mm-new 0/9] mm, bpf: BPF based THP order selection Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 01/10] mm: thp: remove disabled task from khugepaged_mm_slot Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  5:11   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10  6:17     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  7:21   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10 17:27   ` kernel test robot
2025-09-11  2:12     ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11  2:28       ` Zi Yan
2025-09-11  2:35         ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11  2:38         ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11 13:47         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14  2:48           ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 13:43   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14  2:47     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 02/10] mm: thp: add support for BPF based THP order selection Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 12:42   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10 12:54     ` Lance Yang
2025-09-10 13:56       ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11  2:48         ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11  3:04           ` Lance Yang [this message]
2025-09-11 14:45         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 14:02     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 14:42       ` Lance Yang
2025-09-11 14:58         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  7:58           ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 12:04             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 14:33   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  8:28     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 11:53       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14  2:22         ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 14:51   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  8:03     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 12:00       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-25 10:05   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-25 11:38     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 03/10] mm: thp: decouple THP allocation between swap and page fault paths Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 14:55   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  7:20     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 12:04       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 04/10] mm: thp: enable THP allocation exclusively through khugepaged Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 15:53   ` Lance Yang
2025-09-12  6:21     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 15:58   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  6:17     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12 13:48       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-14  2:19         ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 05/10] bpf: mark mm->owner as __safe_rcu_or_null Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 16:04   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 06/10] bpf: mark vma->vm_mm as __safe_trusted_or_null Yafang Shao
2025-09-11 17:08   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-11 17:30   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-11 17:44     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-09-12  3:56       ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-12  3:50     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 07/10] selftests/bpf: add a simple BPF based THP policy Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 20:44   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-09-11  2:31     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 08/10] selftests/bpf: add test case to update " Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 09/10] selftests/bpf: add test cases for invalid thp_adjust usage Yafang Shao
2025-09-10  2:44 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 10/10] Documentation: add BPF-based THP policy management Yafang Shao
2025-09-10 11:11 ` [PATCH v7 mm-new 0/9] mm, bpf: BPF based THP order selection Lance Yang

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