From: "Hui Zhu" <hui.zhu@linux.dev>
To: "Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
"Andrew Ballance" <andrewjballance@gmail.com>,
"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, maple-tree@lists.infradead.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, "Hui Zhu" <zhuhui@kylinos.cn>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] maple_tree: Annotate lockless pivot reads for KCSAN
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2026 05:35:32 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f33eaa0c730feb9f598738ff79d98cb25b4b2bcd@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <kpzm3pcwxwnzk5kngcsfcybzst5jtyrdcphd3hcpmoc6dbtswq@atn5yddl23qx>
>
> On 26/08/26 09:41AM, Andrew Morton wrote:
>
> >
> > On Wed, 26 Aug 2026 15:44:30 +0800 "Hui Zhu" <hui.zhu@linux.dev> wrote:
> >
> > In RCU mode, replaced maple nodes are marked dead and freed via RCU
> > after the new node has been published. Arming the RCU free writes
> > node->rcu.next and node->rcu.func, which share storage with
> > pivot[0] and pivot[1] (see struct maple_node), while lockless
> > readers may still walk the dead node. These stores therefore race
> > with the pivot loads performed by the walkers.
> >
> > This is harmless: the writer marks the node dead with an smp_wmb()
> > before arming the rcu_head, and the walkers re-check ma_dead_node()
> > after reading the node and restart the walk when the node is dead,
> > so any pivot read that raced with the rcu_head stores is discarded.
> > KCSAN cannot see this protocol and reports the plain accesses, so
> > annotate the lockless pivot reads with data_race() through a new
> > ma_pivot_rcu() helper.
> >
> > Found by fuzzing on a 6.6 kernel; the race still exists on
> > mainline. No functional change intended.
> >
> >
> > Thanks. AI review suggests that the patch is correct, but incomplete?
> >
> > https://sashiko.dev/#/patchset/20260826074430.1139325-1-hui.zhu@linux.dev
> >
> Yes, this is literally every read of numerous pivots on any reader that
> would need something like this. Most code is shared with the writer
> side, so we'll have data_race() annotation where it is not needed there.
>
> I don't like the name of the function and I don't agree that it is worth
> doing, especially half of it. If you notice ma_ functions take a maple
> node as the first argument, but your new function takes an array pointer
> in the node.
>
> The from address does not agree with the sign-off on the patch.
>
> I also don't think a benign race needs a Fixes tag?
>
> It might be worth looking at other ways to calm kcsans down such as the
> type qualifier __data_racy, or maybe the makefile option.
Hi Liam,
__data_racy is defined as volatile for KCSAN kernels, so the qualifier
has to propagate to every access site: ma_pivots() would return a
volatile pointer, and all the "unsigned long *pivots" locals and helper
parameters in maple_tree.c (about 25 sites) would need the qualifier
too.
It also marks the whole pivot array as racy, while only pivot[0] and
pivot[1] actually overlap the rcu_head.
The Makefile option (KCSAN_SANITIZE_maple_tree.o := n) is a one-liner,
but it disables KCSAN for the entire file, so any real data race
introduced in maple_tree.c later would go unnoticed.
Do you think one of these two is still the better choice, or should I
keep the current approach and fix the patch according to your review
comments?
Best,
Hui
>
> Thanks,
> Liam
>
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-27 5:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-26 7:44 [PATCH] maple_tree: Annotate lockless pivot reads for KCSAN Hui Zhu
2026-08-26 16:41 ` Andrew Morton
2026-08-27 2:46 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-08-27 5:35 ` Hui Zhu [this message]
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