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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)" <ljs@kernel.org>,
	"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>, Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>,
	David Sterba <dsterba@suse.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>, Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
	Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>, Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 03/10] mm: fs: remove filemap_nr_thps*() functions and their users
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2026 21:15:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f7e1bdbf-cb88-42f0-ac48-1a273bda2455@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <EF04F17A-89ED-40EB-BA91-7A82713E28F8@nvidia.com>

On 4/1/26 17:32, Zi Yan wrote:
> On 1 Apr 2026, at 10:35, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> 
>> On 3/27/26 16:05, Zi Yan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> But I added
>>>
>>> +	if (!is_shmem && inode_is_open_for_write(mapping->host))
>>> +		result = SCAN_FAIL;
>>>
>>> That keeps the original bail out, right?
>>
>> Independent of that, are we sure that the possible race we allow is ok?
> 
> Let me think.
> 
> do_dentry_open() -> file_get_write_access() -> get_write_access() bumps
> inode->i_writecount atomically and it turns inode_is_open_for_write()
> to true. Then, do_dentry_open() also truncates all pages
> if filemap_nr_thps() is not zero. This pairs with khugepaged’s first
> filemap_nr_thps_inc() then inode_is_open_for_write() to prevent opening
> a fd with write when there is a read-only THP.
> 
> After removing READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS, khugepaged only creates read-only THPs
> on FSes with large folio support (to be precise THP support). If a fd
> is opened for write before inode_is_open_for_write() check, khugepaged
> will stop. It is fine. But if a fd is opened for write after
> inode_is_open_for_write() check, khugepaged will try to collapse a read-only
> THP and the fd can be written at the same time.

Exactly, that's the race I mean.

> 
> I notice that fd write requires locking the to-be-written folio first
> (I see it from f_ops->write_iter() -> write_begin_get_folio() and assume
> f_ops->write() has the same locking requirement) and khugepaged has already
> locked the to-be-collapsed folio before inode_is_open_for_write(). So if the
> fd is opened for write after inode_is_open_for_write() check, its write
> will wait for khugepaged collapse and see a new THP. Since the FS
> supports THP, writing to the new THP should be fine.
> 
> Let me know if my analysis above makes sense. If yes, I will add it
> to the commit message and add a succinct comment about it before
> inode_is_open_for_write().

khugepaged code is the only code that replaces folios in the pagecache
by other folios. So my main concern is if that is problematic on
concurrent write access.

You argue that the folio lock is sufficient. That's certainly true for
individual folios, but I am more concerned about the replacement part.

I don't have anything concrete, primarily just pointing out that this is
a change that might unlock some code paths that could not have been
triggered before.

-- 
Cheers,

David


  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-01 19:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-27  1:42 [PATCH v1 00/10] Remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Kconfig Zi Yan
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 01/10] mm: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Kconfig option Zi Yan
2026-03-27 11:45   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:33   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:39     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 02/10] mm/khugepaged: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS check Zi Yan
2026-03-27  7:29   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27  7:35     ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27  9:44   ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 12:02     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:45       ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 14:12         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:26           ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 14:31             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:00               ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 16:22                 ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 16:30                   ` Zi Yan
2026-03-28  2:29                     ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 12:07   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:15     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:46     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:37   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:43     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 03/10] mm: fs: remove filemap_nr_thps*() functions and their users Zi Yan
2026-03-27  9:32   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 12:23   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:58     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:23       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:05         ` Zi Yan
2026-04-01 14:35           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-01 15:32             ` Zi Yan
2026-04-01 19:15               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-04-01 20:33                 ` Zi Yan
2026-04-02 14:35                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-02 14:38                     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 04/10] fs: remove nr_thps from struct address_space Zi Yan
2026-03-27 12:29   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:00   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-30  3:06   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 05/10] mm/huge_memory: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS from file_thp_enabled() Zi Yan
2026-03-27 12:42   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:12     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 15:29       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:43         ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 16:08           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 16:12             ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 16:14               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-29  4:07               ` WANG Rui
2026-03-30 11:17                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-30 14:35                   ` Zi Yan
2026-03-30 16:09                     ` WANG Rui
2026-03-30 16:19                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-01 14:38                         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-01 14:53                           ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 06/10] mm/huge_memory: remove folio split check for READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Zi Yan
2026-03-27 12:50   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-30  9:15   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 07/10] mm/truncate: use folio_split() in truncate_inode_partial_folio() Zi Yan
2026-03-27  3:33   ` Lance Yang
2026-03-27 13:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 15:35     ` Zi Yan
2026-03-28  9:54   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-28  9:54   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 08/10] fs/btrfs: remove a comment referring to READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 09/10] selftests/mm: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS in khugepaged Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:05   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27  1:42 ` [PATCH v1 10/10] selftests/mm: remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS from comments in guard-regions Zi Yan
2026-03-27 13:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 13:46 ` [PATCH v1 00/10] Remove READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS Kconfig David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-27 14:26   ` Zi Yan
2026-03-27 14:27   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 14:30     ` Zi Yan
2026-04-05 17:38 ` Nico Pache
2026-04-06  1:59   ` Zi Yan
2026-04-06 16:17     ` Nico Pache

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