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I don't think there's anything that needs to be >>> private here. >> Li, see below, can you work with the below? >> >> >> ----8<---- >> From 9e1c0676ea6c9cbcabf91cd8badf81a9d88fd3ef Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 >> From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" >> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2026 18:33:08 +0100 >> Subject: [PATCH] fix >> >> --- >> mm/hugetlb.c | 103 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++------------ >> 1 file changed, 79 insertions(+), 24 deletions(-) >> >> diff --git a/mm/hugetlb.c b/mm/hugetlb.c >> index e93c4d2456aa..88ff2c4ad483 100644 >> --- a/mm/hugetlb.c >> +++ b/mm/hugetlb.c >> @@ -5077,6 +5077,79 @@ static void move_huge_pte(struct vm_area_struct *vma, unsigned long old_addr, >> spin_unlock(dst_ptl); >> } >> >> +/* Returns last address processed */ >> +static unsigned long prealloc_or_move_page_tables(struct vm_area_struct *vma, >> + struct vm_area_struct *new_vma, unsigned long old_addr, >> + unsigned long new_addr, unsigned long len, unsigned long sz, >> + unsigned long last_addr_mask, struct mmu_gather *tlb, >> + bool is_prealloc) >> +{ >> + unsigned long old_end = old_addr + len; >> + struct hstate *h = hstate_vma(vma); >> + struct mm_struct *mm = vma->vm_mm; >> + pte_t *src_pte, *dst_pte; >> + >> + hugetlb_vma_assert_locked(vma); >> + >> + for (; old_addr < old_end; old_addr += sz, new_addr += sz) { >> + src_pte = hugetlb_walk(vma, old_addr, sz); >> + if (!src_pte) { >> + old_addr |= last_addr_mask; >> + new_addr |= last_addr_mask; >> + continue; >> + } >> + if (huge_pte_none(huge_ptep_get(mm, old_addr, src_pte))) >> + continue; >> + >> + if (is_prealloc) { >> + if (!huge_pte_alloc(mm, new_vma, new_addr, sz)) >> + break; >> + continue; >> + } >> + >> + if (huge_pmd_unshare(tlb, vma, old_addr, src_pte)) { >> + old_addr |= last_addr_mask; >> + new_addr |= last_addr_mask; >> + continue; >> + } >> + >> + dst_pte = hugetlb_walk(new_vma, new_addr, sz); >> + if (!dst_pte) >> + break; >> + >> + move_huge_pte(vma, old_addr, new_addr, src_pte, dst_pte, sz); >> + tlb_remove_huge_tlb_entry(h, tlb, src_pte, old_addr); >> + } >> + >> + return old_addr; >> +} >> + >> +/* Returns true if preallocation succeeded across range, otherwise false. */ >> +static bool prealloc_hugetlb_page_tables(struct vm_area_struct *vma, >> + struct vm_area_struct *new_vma, unsigned long old_addr, >> + unsigned long new_addr, unsigned long len, unsigned long sz, >> + unsigned long last_addr_mask) >> +{ >> + unsigned long old_end = old_addr + len; >> + unsigned long addr_end; >> + >> + addr_end = prealloc_or_move_page_tables(vma, new_vma, old_addr, new_addr, >> + len, sz, last_addr_mask, NULL, /*is_prealloc=*/true); >> + >> + return addr_end >= old_end; >> +} >> + >> +/* Returns last processed address. */ >> +static unsigned long __move_hugetlb_page_tables(struct vm_area_struct *vma, >> + struct vm_area_struct *new_vma, unsigned long old_addr, >> + unsigned long new_addr, unsigned long len, unsigned long sz, >> + unsigned long last_addr_mask, struct mmu_gather *tlb) >> +{ >> + i_mmap_assert_write_locked(vma->vm_file->f_mapping); >> + return prealloc_or_move_page_tables(vma, new_vma, old_addr, new_addr, >> + len, sz, last_addr_mask, tlb, /*is_prealloc=*/false); >> +} >> + >> int move_hugetlb_page_tables(struct vm_area_struct *vma, >> struct vm_area_struct *new_vma, >> unsigned long old_addr, unsigned long new_addr, >> @@ -5088,9 +5161,9 @@ int move_hugetlb_page_tables(struct vm_area_struct *vma, >> struct mm_struct *mm = vma->vm_mm; >> unsigned long old_end = old_addr + len; >> unsigned long last_addr_mask; >> - pte_t *src_pte, *dst_pte; >> struct mmu_notifier_range range; >> struct mmu_gather tlb; >> + bool preallocated; >> >> mmu_notifier_range_init(&range, MMU_NOTIFY_CLEAR, 0, mm, old_addr, >> old_end); >> @@ -5106,30 +5179,12 @@ int move_hugetlb_page_tables(struct vm_area_struct *vma, >> last_addr_mask = hugetlb_mask_last_page(h); >> /* Prevent race with file truncation */ >> hugetlb_vma_lock_write(vma); >> + preallocated = prealloc_hugetlb_page_tables(vma, new_vma, old_addr, >> + new_addr, len, sz, last_addr_mask); >> i_mmap_lock_write(mapping); >> - for (; old_addr < old_end; old_addr += sz, new_addr += sz) { >> - src_pte = hugetlb_walk(vma, old_addr, sz); >> - if (!src_pte) { >> - old_addr |= last_addr_mask; >> - new_addr |= last_addr_mask; >> - continue; >> - } >> - if (huge_pte_none(huge_ptep_get(mm, old_addr, src_pte))) >> - continue; >> - >> - if (huge_pmd_unshare(&tlb, vma, old_addr, src_pte)) { >> - old_addr |= last_addr_mask; >> - new_addr |= last_addr_mask; >> - continue; >> - } >> - >> - dst_pte = huge_pte_alloc(mm, new_vma, new_addr, sz); >> - if (!dst_pte) >> - break; >> - >> - move_huge_pte(vma, old_addr, new_addr, src_pte, dst_pte, sz); >> - tlb_remove_huge_tlb_entry(h, &tlb, src_pte, old_addr); >> - } >> + if (preallocated) >> + old_addr = __move_hugetlb_page_tables(vma, new_vma, old_addr, >> + new_addr, len, sz, last_addr_mask, &tlb); >> >> tlb_flush_mmu_tlbonly(&tlb); >> huge_pmd_unshare_flush(&tlb, vma); >> -- >> 2.55.0 > > Hi David, > > I thought more about the case where the destination page table was > preallocated as a shared PMD. > > I do not think the current move_huge_pte() handles that case very well. The > reason is that it assumes the destination PTE is not part of a shared PMD > page table: it clears the source PTE and then installs that PTE into the > destination. That works when the destination PMD page table is not shared, > because the source removal and destination install have a net-zero effect on > rmap and hugetlb accounting. > > If the destination PTE belongs to a shared PMD, that assumption does not > hold. In that case, I think we should leave the shared destination page > table untouched and treat the operation as a source-side unmap. Otherwise > move_huge_pte() either writes through a shared page table or skips the > source-side unmap accounting. That can make the rmap, hugetlb count and > folio release handling inconsistent with the actual PTE update. > > So I think the change should be roughly: IIUC, what you are saying is: A) If the source table is shared, unshare it. b) If the destination table is shared, there is nothing to do. ? -- Cheers, David