From: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [-mm PATCH v2 00/25] get_user_pages() for dax pte and pmd mappings
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 13:08:49 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <x49r3iutbv2.fsf@segfault.boston.devel.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151210023708.30368.92962.stgit@dwillia2-desk3.jf.intel.com> (Dan Williams's message of "Wed, 09 Dec 2015 18:37:09 -0800")
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> writes:
> Summary:
>
> To date, we have implemented two I/O usage models for persistent memory,
> PMEM (a persistent "ram disk") and DAX (mmap persistent memory into
> userspace). This series adds a third, DAX-GUP, that allows DAX mappings
> to be the target of direct-i/o. It allows userspace to coordinate
> DMA/RDMA from/to persistent memory.
>
> The implementation leverages the ZONE_DEVICE mm-zone that went into
> 4.3-rc1 (also discussed at kernel summit) to flag pages that are owned
> and dynamically mapped by a device driver. The pmem driver, after
> mapping a persistent memory range into the system memmap via
> devm_memremap_pages(), arranges for DAX to distinguish pfn-only versus
> page-backed pmem-pfns via flags in the new pfn_t type.
So, this basically means that an admin has to decide whether or not DMA
will be used on a given device before making a file system on it. That
seems like an odd requirement. There's also a configuration option of
whether to put those backing struct pages into DRAM or PMEM (which, of
course, will be dictated by the size of pmem). I really think we should
reconsider this approach.
First, the admin shouldn't have to choose whether or not DMA will be
done on the file system. Second, eating up storage space to track
mostly unused struct pages seems like a waste. Is there no future for
the "introduce __pfn_t, evacuate struct page from sgls"[1] approach?
And if not, is there some other way we can solve this problem? I know
dynamic allocation of struct pages is scary, but is it more tractable
than no pages for DMA?
Cheers,
Jeff
[1] https://lwn.net/Articles/647404/
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Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-12-10 2:37 [-mm PATCH v2 00/25] get_user_pages() for dax pte and pmd mappings Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:37 ` [-mm PATCH v2 01/25] pmem, dax: clean up clear_pmem() Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:37 ` [-mm PATCH v2 02/25] dax: increase granularity of dax_clear_blocks() operations Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:37 ` [-mm PATCH v2 03/25] dax: guarantee page aligned results from bdev_direct_access() Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:37 ` [-mm PATCH v2 04/25] dax: fix lifetime of in-kernel dax mappings with dax_map_atomic() Dan Williams
2015-12-11 18:11 ` [-mm PATCH v3 " Dan Williams
2015-12-17 22:00 ` Ross Zwisler
2015-12-17 22:16 ` Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:37 ` [-mm PATCH v2 05/25] mm, dax: fix livelock, allow dax pmd mappings to become writeable Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:37 ` [-mm PATCH v2 06/25] dax: Split pmd map when fallback on COW Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:37 ` [-mm PATCH v2 07/25] um: kill pfn_t Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:37 ` [-mm PATCH v2 08/25] kvm: rename pfn_t to kvm_pfn_t Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:37 ` [-mm PATCH v2 09/25] mm, dax, pmem: introduce pfn_t Dan Williams
2015-12-11 18:22 ` [-mm PATCH v3 " Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:38 ` [-mm PATCH v2 10/25] mm: introduce find_dev_pagemap() Dan Williams
2015-12-11 18:27 ` [-mm PATCH v3 " Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:38 ` [-mm PATCH v2 11/25] x86, mm: introduce vmem_altmap to augment vmemmap_populate() Dan Williams
2015-12-15 16:50 ` Dan Williams
2015-12-15 23:28 ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-15 23:37 ` Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:38 ` [-mm PATCH v2 12/25] libnvdimm, pfn, pmem: allocate memmap array in persistent memory Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:38 ` [-mm PATCH v2 13/25] avr32: convert to asm-generic/memory_model.h Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:38 ` [-mm PATCH v2 14/25] hugetlb: fix compile error on tile Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:38 ` [-mm PATCH v2 15/25] frv: fix compiler warning from definition of __pmd() Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:38 ` [-mm PATCH v2 16/25] x86, mm: introduce _PAGE_DEVMAP Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:38 ` [-mm PATCH v2 17/25] mm, dax, gpu: convert vm_insert_mixed to pfn_t Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:38 ` [-mm PATCH v2 18/25] mm, dax: convert vmf_insert_pfn_pmd() " Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:38 ` [-mm PATCH v2 19/25] list: introduce list_del_poison() Dan Williams
2015-12-15 23:41 ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-16 0:17 ` Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:39 ` [-mm PATCH v2 20/25] libnvdimm, pmem: move request_queue allocation earlier in probe Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:39 ` [-mm PATCH v2 21/25] mm, dax, pmem: introduce {get|put}_dev_pagemap() for dax-gup Dan Williams
2015-12-15 23:46 ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-10 2:39 ` [-mm PATCH v2 22/25] mm, dax: dax-pmd vs thp-pmd vs hugetlbfs-pmd Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:39 ` [-mm PATCH v2 23/25] mm, x86: get_user_pages() for dax mappings Dan Williams
2015-12-16 0:14 ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-16 2:18 ` Dan Williams
2015-12-18 0:09 ` Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:39 ` [-mm PATCH v2 24/25] dax: provide diagnostics for pmd mapping failures Dan Williams
2015-12-10 2:39 ` [-mm PATCH v2 25/25] dax: re-enable dax pmd mappings Dan Williams
2015-12-10 18:08 ` Jeff Moyer [this message]
2015-12-10 18:56 ` [-mm PATCH v2 00/25] get_user_pages() for dax pte and " Dan Williams
2015-12-10 19:20 ` Jeff Moyer
2015-12-11 2:03 ` Dan Williams
2015-12-14 14:52 ` Jeff Moyer
2015-12-14 16:44 ` Dan Williams
2015-12-11 18:44 ` Dan Williams
2015-12-15 1:59 ` Dan Williams
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