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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>,
	Zdenek Kabelac <zdenek.kabelac@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: Regression in suspend to ram in 2.6.31-rc kernels
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:32:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200909120032.13164.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090911222154.GB11441@elf.ucw.cz>

On Saturday 12 September 2009, Pavel Machek wrote:
> On Sat 2009-09-12 00:04:02, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > On Friday 11 September 2009, OGAWA Hirofumi wrote:
> > > Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> writes:
> > > 
> > > > On Wed 2009-09-09 22:21:56, OGAWA Hirofumi wrote:
> > > >> Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> writes:
> > > >> 
> > > >> >> It seems
> > > >> >> 
> > > >> >>     1) sync() (probabry "sync" command)
> > > >> >>     2) sync as part of suspend sequence
> > > >> >>     3) sync_filesystem() by mmc remove event
> > > >> >> 
> > > >> >> I guess the root-cause of the problem would be 3). However, it would not
> > > >> >> be easy to fix, at least, we would need to think about what we want to
> > > >> >> do for it. So, to workaround it for now, I've made this patch.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > MMC driver trying to synchronize filesystems looks like ugly layering
> > > >> > violation to me. Why are we doing that?
> > > >> 
> > > >> There is no _layering violation_ here. IIRC, mmc just tells card removed
> > > >> event to another layer (on some points of view, to tell event can be
> > > >> wrong though). The partition (block) layer does it by event.
> > > >
> > > > So what is the problem?  Emulating sync when card is already removed
> > > > seems little ... interesting?
> > > 
> > > Um..., sorry, I'm not sure what are you talking about. Of course, the
> > > problem of this is that system freeze on suspend.
> > > 
> > > Or are you asking my guess of the cause, or something?  If so, although
> > > I'm not reading all emails on this thread, from Zdenek's backtrace, the
> > > sequence would be
> > > 
> > >     1) suspend mmc
> > >     2) mmc generates card removed event
> > 
> > Which shouldn't happen.
> 
> Are you sure? IIRC it depends on  CONFIG_MMC_UNSAFE_RESUME.

Generating the event at this point is too late, because there's no way to
handle it cleanly with the current suspend/resume design.

It probably will work if the event is generated before we freeze the user
space, for example with the help of a suspend notifier, but generating it
from a driver's suspend routine is not valid.

Again, that's a consequence of the lack of a general solution for handling
"removable" file systems over suspend/resume.

Thanks,
Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-11 22:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-31 11:51 Regression in suspend to ram in 2.6.31-rc kernels Zdenek Kabelac
2009-08-31 19:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-09-01  9:34   ` Zdenek Kabelac
2009-09-03 22:29     ` Zdenek Kabelac
2009-09-03 23:23       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-04  0:47         ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2009-09-04  9:13           ` Zdenek Kabelac
2009-09-05 17:22             ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2009-09-05 19:53               ` Zdenek Kabelac
2009-09-05 22:42                 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2009-09-08  8:10                   ` Zdenek Kabelac
2009-09-09 13:15                     ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2009-09-07 12:51               ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-09 13:21                 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2009-09-10 19:23                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-11  6:39                     ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2009-09-11 20:09                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-11 21:14                         ` Zdenek Kabelac
2009-09-11 21:32                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-11 21:45                             ` Zdenek Kabelac
2009-09-11 21:51                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-11 22:22                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-09-14 20:05                                 ` Pierre Ossman
2009-09-14 20:25                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-11 22:29                               ` Chris Ball
2009-09-11 22:36                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-09-14  8:39                                   ` Zdenek Kabelac
2009-09-14 19:17                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-09-14 20:27                                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-18 11:15                                   ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2009-09-18 21:39                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-09-11 22:22                           ` Chris Ball
2009-09-11 22:04                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-09-11 22:21                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-11 22:32                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2009-09-08 19:06           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-08 19:48             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-09-09 13:52             ` OGAWA Hirofumi

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