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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>
Cc: Chris Ball <cjb@laptop.org>,
	Zdenek Kabelac <zdenek.kabelac@gmail.com>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: Regression in suspend to ram in 2.6.31-rc kernels
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:39:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200909182339.14374.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fxaksdve.fsf@devron.myhome.or.jp>

On Friday 18 September 2009, OGAWA Hirofumi wrote:
> "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl> writes:
> 
> > On Saturday 12 September 2009, Chris Ball wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >>    > Well system could check basic card ids if they match after resume
> >> 
> >> No.  That (arguably) guarantees that it's the same card, but not that
> >> it wasn't modified in another machine during the suspend.
> >
> > Generally speaking, we'd also need to check superblocks for this to work.
> >  
> >>    > if some users wants to crash his card by randomly swapping it
> >>    > during suspend/resume - I'd have no problem with that....
> >> 
> >> You should have a problem with it.  Taking a card from a suspended
> >> machine and working on it with a different machine is not a bizarre
> >> thing to want to do.
> >
> > Agreed.
> 
> Um...
> 
> What happen if we moved remove event to resume sequence?  I.e. The
> resume generates remove and insert event (or such revalidate).  With
> this, I hope the suspend is not bothered by complex one, and the resume
> just ignores (if needed) previous state and notify it to userland by
> remove/insert event.
> 
> And, userland process should unmount for removal devices before suspend
> process (as part of userland preparation)?
> 
> If we assumed the removable device can be changed before resume, fs
> would need to recover process, to make sure in-core and on-disk state
> has consistent.
> 
> Um..., for now, I feel the umount before suspend is only safe way.

Yes, with the current design it's the only really safe way.

Thanks,
Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-18 21:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-31 11:51 Regression in suspend to ram in 2.6.31-rc kernels Zdenek Kabelac
2009-08-31 19:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-09-01  9:34   ` Zdenek Kabelac
2009-09-03 22:29     ` Zdenek Kabelac
2009-09-03 23:23       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-04  0:47         ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2009-09-04  9:13           ` Zdenek Kabelac
2009-09-05 17:22             ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2009-09-05 19:53               ` Zdenek Kabelac
2009-09-05 22:42                 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2009-09-08  8:10                   ` Zdenek Kabelac
2009-09-09 13:15                     ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2009-09-07 12:51               ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-09 13:21                 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2009-09-10 19:23                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-11  6:39                     ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2009-09-11 20:09                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-11 21:14                         ` Zdenek Kabelac
2009-09-11 21:32                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-11 21:45                             ` Zdenek Kabelac
2009-09-11 21:51                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-11 22:22                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-09-14 20:05                                 ` Pierre Ossman
2009-09-14 20:25                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-11 22:29                               ` Chris Ball
2009-09-11 22:36                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-09-14  8:39                                   ` Zdenek Kabelac
2009-09-14 19:17                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-09-14 20:27                                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-18 11:15                                   ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2009-09-18 21:39                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2009-09-11 22:22                           ` Chris Ball
2009-09-11 22:04                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-09-11 22:21                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-11 22:32                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-09-08 19:06           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-09-08 19:48             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-09-09 13:52             ` OGAWA Hirofumi

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