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From: Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
To: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>
Cc: linux-mmc <linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jaehoon Chung <jh80.chung@samsung.com>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Chaotian Jing <chaotian.jing@mediatek.com>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@codeaurora.org>,
	Michael Walle <michael@walle.cc>,
	Yong Mao <yong.mao@mediatek.com>,
	Shawn Lin <shawn.lin@rock-chips.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/9] mmc: core: Allow CMD13 polling when switch to HS200 mode
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:30:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2a2f1f8c-871c-164e-d4fe-abc0658df90f@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPDyKFrDP_K_muRArcNrMGBeTLB_XWawcMc9yb82k4cdd8z0eQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 17/11/16 17:02, Ulf Hansson wrote:
> On 17 November 2016 at 11:23, Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com> wrote:
>> On 16/11/16 12:51, Ulf Hansson wrote:
>>> In cases when the mmc host doesn't support HW busy detection, polling for
>>> busy by using CMD13 is beneficial. The reasons have already been explained
>>> in earlier change logs.
>>>
>>> To allow polling with CMD13, let's provide MMC_TIMING_MMC_HS200 as the
>>> timing parameter to __mmc_switch(), which makes sure the mmc host and the
>>> mmc card operates at the same bus timing during the polling.
>>
>> I have reports of cases where CMD13 always gives CRC errors after switch
>> to HS200.  Currently we are assuming the low frequency should mean that
>> won't happen, but it does in some cases.  That is not entirely surprising
>> since HS200 needs tuning at the final operating frequency.
> 
>>From a logical point of view and if tuning is needed also for the CMD
> line, this somehow make sense.
> 
> However, this is *not* how the JEDEC spec describes the HS200 switch
> sequence. It is clearly stated that the host should validate the CM6
> status via sending a CMD13 command, *before* performing tuning.

I agree, it seems not to be following spec.

> 
> Could it be that the observations about the CRC errors, is related to
> a controller/driver issue and not a card issue?

I don't know what causes the problem (and I have a sneaking suspicion that
if vendors configured / designed their boards correctly, it wouldn't
happen).  However, while some cards have better signal characteristics than
others, tuning is a host controller issue - the card doesn't care.

> 
>>
>> What I would like to do for hosts that support busy waiting or DAT0 polling
>> (i.e. MMC_CAP_WAIT_WHILE_BUSY or host->ops->card_busy), is to ignore CRC
>> errors from the CMD13 that checks the switch status.  The main reason for
>> doing that is that we really expect the switch to succeed and, given HS200
>> tuning requirement, the CRC error is not a reliable means of determining
>> that it hasn't.
> 
> Hmm. So what you are saying is that CMD13 polling for HS200 doesn't
> work, as tuning is needed.

I would assume that vendors integrate a working combination of eMMC and host
controller, so if polling is the only option, then we could assume it will work.

> 
> So, to me that means we need to fall-back to use the generic CMD6
> timeout instead (when HW busy detection isn't supported).

Or, in the ignore_crc/retry_err_crc case, return -EILSEQ instead -ETIMEOUT,
and catch and ignore the error in the calling code.  Then you get polling if
it works, otherwise getting CRC errors until timeout.

> 
>>
>> With the existing code I would just change the err check:
>>
>>
>> diff --git a/drivers/mmc/core/mmc.c b/drivers/mmc/core/mmc.c
>> index 3268fcd3378d..c8862c58b60b 100644
>> --- a/drivers/mmc/core/mmc.c
>> +++ b/drivers/mmc/core/mmc.c
>> @@ -1387,6 +1387,13 @@ static int mmc_select_hs200(struct mmc_card *card)
>>
>>                 err = mmc_switch_status(card);
>>                 /*
>> +                * For HS200, CRC errors are not a reliable way to know the
>> +                * switch failed. If there really is a problem, we would expect
>> +                * tuning will fail and the result ends up the same.
>> +                */
>> +               if (err == -EILSEQ)
>> +                       err = 0;
>> +               /*
> 
> I don't think ignoring CRC errors is reliable when verifying the CMD6
> status. My point is that we must not parse the status, in case of CRC
> errors as it can't be trusted.

I agree, but mmc_switch_status() doesn't look at the response if there is an
error.

> 
> So, then we might as well just ignore validating the CMD6 status
> altogether, but instead always move on to the tuning and hope that it
> succeeds.

That is a possibility, but it seemed to me that is was worth checking for
all the users where it does work. i.e if CMD13 does not give a CRC error
then validate the response, and if CMD13 does give a CRC error then ignore
the response and keep going anyway.

> 
> I think the CMD21 (tuning) should set the ILLEGAL COMMAND if HS200
> mode isn't enabled, so we could check that. Anyway, we should fail
> with the tuning if the earlier HS200 switch also failed. Don't you
> think?

Yes CMD21 is an illegal command if the mode is not HS200.  The card should
set ILLEGAL_COMMAND but also not respond i.e there will be a timeout error.
That could cause a long delay before tuning finally fails.  The only way to
mitigate that would be to make ignoring the CRC error a host-specific option
(e.g. MMC_CAP_... flag).  Arguably, if the switch fails, the mode is broken
and should not have been allowed in the first place.

> 
>>                  * mmc_select_timing() assumes timing has not changed if
>>                  * it is a switch error.
>>                  */
>>
>>
>> Then to support polling:
>>
>>
>> diff --git a/drivers/mmc/core/mmc.c b/drivers/mmc/core/mmc.c
>> index c8862c58b60b..66d8d57ae2fb 100644
>> --- a/drivers/mmc/core/mmc.c
>> +++ b/drivers/mmc/core/mmc.c
>> @@ -1352,6 +1352,7 @@ static int mmc_select_hs200(struct mmc_card *card)
>>  {
>>         struct mmc_host *host = card->host;
>>         unsigned int old_timing, old_signal_voltage;
>> +       bool send_status;
>>         int err = -EINVAL;
>>         u8 val;
>>
>> @@ -1373,18 +1374,20 @@ static int mmc_select_hs200(struct mmc_card *card)
>>          * switch to HS200 mode if bus width is set successfully.
>>          */
>>         err = mmc_select_bus_width(card);
>> -       if (err > 0) {
>> -               val = EXT_CSD_TIMING_HS200 |
>> -                     card->drive_strength << EXT_CSD_DRV_STR_SHIFT;
>> -               err = __mmc_switch(card, EXT_CSD_CMD_SET_NORMAL,
>> -                                  EXT_CSD_HS_TIMING, val,
>> -                                  card->ext_csd.generic_cmd6_time, 0,
>> -                                  true, false, true);
>> -               if (err)
>> -                       goto err;
>> -               old_timing = host->ios.timing;
>> -               mmc_set_timing(host, MMC_TIMING_MMC_HS200);
>> +       if (err <= 0)
>> +               goto err;
>> +
>> +       send_status = !(host->caps & MMC_CAP_WAIT_WHILE_BUSY) &&
>> +                     !host->ops->card_busy;
>> +       old_timing = host->ios.timing;
>> +
>> +       val = EXT_CSD_TIMING_HS200 |
>> +             card->drive_strength << EXT_CSD_DRV_STR_SHIFT;
>> +       err = __mmc_switch(card, EXT_CSD_CMD_SET_NORMAL, EXT_CSD_HS_TIMING, val,
>> +                          card->ext_csd.generic_cmd6_time,
>> +                          MMC_TIMING_MMC_HS200, true, send_status, true);
>>
>> +       if (!err && !send_status) {
>>                 err = mmc_switch_status(card);
>>                 /*
>>                  * For HS200, CRC errors are not a reliable way to know the
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
> 
> Well, I think the main problem is that if we have cards that returns
> CRC errors even after the HS200 switch, then we can't use polling, as
> we can't trust to parse the CMD6 status.

As I wrote above, if there is no option but polling then we could expect it
to work.  And if CMD13 does not give a CRC error then we can validate the
response, only ignoring it if there is a CRC error.

I should point out that retrying CMD13 will clear the error bits in the
status so there is no point retrying when checking for the SWITCH_ERROR bit.
i.e. we need a version of __switch_send_status() that sets retries to zero.


  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-18  9:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-16 10:51 [PATCH 0/9] mmc: core: Re-work CMD13 polling method for CMD6 for mmc Ulf Hansson
2016-11-16 10:51 ` [PATCH 1/9] mmc: core: Retry instead of ignore at CRC errors when polling for busy Ulf Hansson
2016-11-16 10:51 ` [PATCH 2/9] mmc: core: Remove redundant __mmc_send_status() Ulf Hansson
2016-11-16 10:51 ` [PATCH 3/9] mmc: core: Rename ignore_crc to retry_crc_err to reflect its purpose Ulf Hansson
2016-11-16 10:51 ` [PATCH 4/9] mmc: core: Enable __mmc_switch() to change bus speed timing for the host Ulf Hansson
2016-11-16 10:51 ` [PATCH 5/9] mmc: core: Allow CMD13 polling when switching to HS mode for mmc Ulf Hansson
2016-11-16 10:51 ` [PATCH 6/9] mmc: core: Update CMD13 polling policy when switch to HS DDR mode Ulf Hansson
2016-11-16 10:51 ` [PATCH 7/9] mmc: core: Allow CMD13 polling when switch to HS200 mode Ulf Hansson
2016-11-17 10:23   ` Adrian Hunter
2016-11-17 15:02     ` Ulf Hansson
2016-11-18  9:30       ` Adrian Hunter [this message]
2016-11-18 12:20         ` Ulf Hansson
2016-11-18 12:32           ` Adrian Hunter
2016-11-18 13:16             ` Ulf Hansson
2016-11-18  8:05   ` Shawn Lin
2016-11-18 11:45     ` Ulf Hansson
2016-11-23  1:24       ` Shawn Lin
2016-11-16 10:51 ` [PATCH 8/9] mmc: core: Allow CMD13 polling when switch to HS400 mode Ulf Hansson
2016-11-18 12:02   ` Adrian Hunter
2016-11-18 12:59     ` Ulf Hansson
2016-11-16 10:51 ` [PATCH 9/9] mmc: core: Allow CMD13 polling when switch to HS400ES mode Ulf Hansson
2016-11-18 13:35   ` Adrian Hunter
2016-11-18 14:37     ` Ulf Hansson
2016-11-18 14:43       ` Adrian Hunter
2016-11-17  9:06 ` [PATCH 0/9] mmc: core: Re-work CMD13 polling method for CMD6 for mmc Linus Walleij

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