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From: AngeloGioacchino Del Regno <angelogioacchino.delregno@collabora.com>
To: "Axe Yang (杨磊)" <Axe.Yang@mediatek.com>,
	"robh+dt@kernel.org" <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Wenbin Mei (梅文彬)" <Wenbin.Mei@mediatek.com>,
	"conor+dt@kernel.org" <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Chaotian Jing (井朝天)" <Chaotian.Jing@mediatek.com>,
	"krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@linaro.org"
	<krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@linaro.org>,
	"matthias.bgg@gmail.com" <matthias.bgg@gmail.com>,
	"ulf.hansson@linaro.org" <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] mmc: mediatek: extend number of tuning steps
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 11:20:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <36ba3f89-2bd0-45f0-8b61-59f5c6691427@collabora.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ea1a82b07e98fa682140c460048901a9f962be2b.camel@mediatek.com>

Il 28/11/23 10:38, Axe Yang (杨磊) ha scritto:
>> On Tue, 2023-11-28 at 09:53 +0100, AngeloGioacchino Del Regno wrote:
>> Il 28/11/23 08:01, Axe Yang ha scritto:
>>> Previously, during the MSDC calibration process, a full clock cycle
>>> actually not be covered, which in some cases didn't yield the best
>>> results and could cause CRC errors. This problem is particularly
>>> evident when MSDC is used as an SDIO host. In fact, MSDC support
>>> tuning up to a maximum of 64 steps, but by default, the step number
>>> is 32. By increase the tuning step, we are more likely to cover
>>> more
>>> parts of a clock cycle, and get better calibration result.
>>>
>>> To illustrate, when tuning 32 steps, if the obtained window has a
>>> hole
>>> near the middle, like this: 0xffc07ff (hex), then the selected
>>> delay
>>> will be the 6 (counting from right to left).
>>>
>>> (32 <- 1)
>>> 1111 1111 1100 0000 0000 0111 11(1)1 1111
>>>
>>> However, if we tune 64 steps, the window obtained may look like
>>> this:
>>> 0xfffffffffffc07ff. The final selected delay will be 44, which is
>>> safer as it is further away from the hole:
>>>
>>> (64 <- 1)
>>> 1111 ... (1)111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1100 0000 0000 0111 1111 1111
>>>
>>> In this case, delay 6 selected through 32 steps tuning is obviously
>>> not optimal, and this delay is closer to the hole, using it would
>>> easily cause CRC problems.
>>>
>>> You will need to configure property "mediatek,tuning-step" in MSDC
>>> dts node to 64 to extend the steps.
>>>
>>
>> If we can run 64 tuning steps, why should we run 32?
>>
>> Why isn't it just better to *always* run 64 tuning steps, on SoCs
>> supporting that?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Angelo
> 
> Hi Angelo,
> 
> That is a good question. The benefit of preserving 32 steps tuning is
> that it can save time in certain scenarios.
> 
> On some platforms, when the delay selected through 64 steps tuning is
> very close to that chosen through 32 steps, we can reduce the tuning
> step from 64 to 32. This can save time sending the tuning block
> commands.
> 
> Thus using 32 steps tuning can save kernel boot up time.
> 
> Another case where time can be saved is when accessing the RPMB
> partition of eMMC. Each time switch to RPMB partition, there is a
> retune action, causing a certain drop in performance. If we are certain
> that the results of 32 steps tuning are usable and we use it, this can
> in a sense also guarantee performance when accessing the RPMB
> partition.
> 

Thanks for this explanation! Though, I have some more questions...

...regarding boot up time, how much time are we talking about?

I'm asking because while now I see - and agree - on using 32-steps tuning
on eMMC to guarantee performance during RPMB access, as far as I know,
there is no RPMB partition on SD/MicroSD cards (and, of course, SDIO devices).

If the boot performance impact isn't big, as in, up to ~100 milliseconds is
not big at all (especially with async probe!), we can definitely avoid the
addition of a devicetree property for 32-steps tuning, hence use a dynamic
selection strategy such that:
  - On eMMC devices, always perform 32-steps tuning (hence no boot delay)
  - On SD cards and SDIO, always perform 64-steps tuning

Cheers,
Angelo


  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-28 10:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-28  7:01 [PATCH v2 0/2] mmc: mediatek: add support for 64-steps tuning Axe Yang
2023-11-28  7:01 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] dt-bindings: mmc: mtk-sd: add tuning steps related property Axe Yang
2023-11-28  7:36   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2023-11-28  7:01 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] mmc: mediatek: extend number of tuning steps Axe Yang
2023-11-28  8:53   ` AngeloGioacchino Del Regno
2023-11-28  9:38     ` Axe Yang (杨磊)
2023-11-28 10:20       ` AngeloGioacchino Del Regno [this message]
2023-11-29  3:16         ` Axe Yang (杨磊)
2023-12-01  8:53           ` AngeloGioacchino Del Regno
2023-12-05  1:23             ` Axe Yang (杨磊)

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