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From: Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
To: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@stericsson.com>
Cc: "linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Chris Ball <cjb@laptop.org>,
	Per FORLIN <per.forlin@stericsson.com>,
	Johan RUDHOLM <johan.rudholm@stericsson.com>,
	Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mmc: core: Force a "detect" to handle non-properly removed cards
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:45:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F13D59B.2060607@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F104130.8030906@stericsson.com>

On 13/01/12 16:35, Ulf Hansson wrote:
> Adrian Hunter wrote:
>> On 13/01/12 15:14, Ulf Hansson wrote:
>>>>>>> In principles this means the following sequence:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We will rely on that the get_cd function will return 0 (indicating
>>>>>>> card is
>>>>>>> removed) when the card is "slowly" removed at the point when the rescan
>>>>>>> function is calling it through the bus_ops->detect -->
>>>>>>> _mmc_detect_card_removed function.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This then becomes a race, meaning that the rescan function must be
>>>>>>> executing
>>>>>>> at the same time the get_cd function will returns 0. Otherwise the
>>>>>>> rescan
>>>>>>> function will not remove the card.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thus my conclusion is that "[PATCH 2/4 v4] MMC/SD: Add callback
>>>>>>> function to
>>>>>>> detect card" will likely improve behavior but is not the safe
>>>>>>> solution to
>>>>>>> handle "slowly" removed cards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, to be sure, we must let the mmc_detect_card_remove function
>>>>>>> trigger a
>>>>>>> rescan when _mmc_detect_card_removed has detected that the card is
>>>>>>> removed.
>>>>>>> This should be safe in all circumstances.
>>>>>> sdhci has no problem because it does this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     - the host controller debounces the card detect line
>>>>>>     - the host controller records whether or not the card is present
>>>>>>     - the sdhci driver prevents (errors out) requests when the card is
>>>>>>     not present
>>>>> Debouncing will just be a way of triggering the problem more seldom. Or in
>>>>> worst case, state the card has been removed even if it has not.
>>>> If a delay is used with mmc_detect_change, debouncing is not necessary.
>>>>
>>>>> Just because you get a GPIO irq on the detect line does not mean the
>>>>> card is
>>>>> removed, debouncing or not. I consider this as pure mechanical switch
>>>>> which
>>>>> likely has glitches and I don't see that we should trust it fully. We only
>>>>> want to trigger a detect work, which is exactly what is done in the patch
>>>>> from Guennadi Liakhovetski "mmc: add a generic GPIO card-detect helper".
>>>> The original problem was "slow card removal".  "Unreliable card detect"
>>>> is a separate problem.  Currently there is polling (MMC_CAP_NEEDS_POLL)
>>>> for that.  Alternatively there is MMC_CAP2_RESCAN_ON_ERROR as we have
>>>> discussed.
>>> I do not understand why you mention "Unreliable card detect"? That has
>>> nothing to do with this patch.
>>>
>>> So to conclude the discussion, do you believe that this patch is acceptable
>>> as long as we add a CAPS2 option "MMC_CAP2_RESCAN_ON_ERROR", which if not
>>> set will prevent the detect work from being scheduled from
>>> mmc_detect_card_removed?
>>
>> Yes
>>
> 
> OK, but.. :-)
> 
> I were just about to update the patch according to your recommendation when
> I realized the following:
> 
> Once _mmc_detect_card_removed has set the card state as removed
> ("mmc_card_set_removed"), the card will never be accessible for I/O requests
> any more, all I/O will "silently" be thrown away in the block layer. This
> leads to that there should definitely be no reason for _not_ letting a
> scheduled rescan remove the card as soon as possible. In other words the
> CAP2 should not be needed.
> 
> Did I miss something?
> 
> Agree?

No.  mmc_detect_card_removed() will not check/set the card removed
unless there has been a call to mmc_detect_change() to set the
host->detect_change flag.

MMC_CAP2_RESCAN_ON_ERROR is definitely needed.

Do not confuse mmc_detect_card_removed() with _mmc_detect_card_removed().
The former is called by block.c.  The latter is only called by mmc_rescan()
via the ->detect method.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-01-16  7:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-01-03 10:33 [PATCH] mmc: core: Force a "detect" to handle non-properly removed cards Ulf Hansson
2012-01-04  9:40 ` Linus Walleij
2012-01-04 21:26 ` Adrian Hunter
2012-01-09 11:02   ` Ulf Hansson
2012-01-09 12:07     ` Adrian Hunter
2012-01-09 13:14       ` Ulf Hansson
2012-01-09 13:53         ` Adrian Hunter
2012-01-09 14:27           ` Ulf Hansson
2012-01-10  9:22             ` Adrian Hunter
2012-01-10 10:59               ` Ulf Hansson
2012-01-10 12:10                 ` Adrian Hunter
2012-01-13 10:04                   ` Ulf Hansson
2012-01-13 10:43                     ` Adrian Hunter
2012-01-13 11:31                       ` Ulf Hansson
2012-01-13 12:08                         ` Adrian Hunter
2012-01-13 13:14                           ` Ulf Hansson
2012-01-13 13:43                             ` Adrian Hunter
2012-01-13 14:35                               ` Ulf Hansson
2012-01-16  7:45                                 ` Adrian Hunter [this message]
2012-01-16 11:09                                   ` Ulf Hansson
2012-01-10  9:33             ` Adrian Hunter
2012-01-10 11:03               ` Ulf Hansson
2012-01-10 12:21                 ` Adrian Hunter
2012-01-09 14:34           ` Ulf Hansson

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