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From: Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Guennadi Liakhovetski <g.liakhovetski@gmx.de>,
	"linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Chris Ball <cjb@laptop.org>,
	Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@stericsson.com>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] MMC / PM: Make it possible to use PM QoS latency constraints
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:31:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F571CC9.7050609@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201203062214.53988.rjw@sisk.pl>

On 06/03/12 23:14, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 06, 2012, Guennadi Liakhovetski wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Mar 2012, Adrian Hunter wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/03/12 02:01, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> The goal of this patchset is to allow user space to control the
>>>> responsiveness of the MMC stack related to runtime power management.
>>>
>>> I wonder why this is build into mmc and not just a generic runtime pm
>>> facility. e.g.
> 
> Because of the user space interface (it doesn't necessarily make sense
> for all devices) and to allow drivers to opt-in (if they don't, the interface
> won't be created), which is not possible at the core level (we don't know in
> advance what drivers will handle the given devices and if they will support
> PM QoS).

Even "opt-in" is undesirable, because it is really up to userspace not the
driver.

> 
>>> 	/* Set maximum resume latency target to 100ms */
>>> 	pm_runtime_set_max_latency(dev, 100);
>>>
>>> And then runtime pm will create sysfs attributes etc
>>
>> +1. Having to do essentially exactly the same for each driver subsystem 
>> seems counterproductive.
> 
> Other subsystems need not do that in the same way.

Maybe this needs to be re-thought.  Userspace needs a simple, consistent and
understandable set of pm controls across the entire kernel, not piecemeal
across different subsystems.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-07  8:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-04  0:01 [PATCH 0/3] MMC / PM: Make it possible to use PM QoS latency constraints Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-04  0:02 ` [PATCH 1/3] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-04 10:59   ` Linus Walleij
2012-03-04 19:47     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-04  0:04 ` [PATCH 2/3] tmio_mmc / PM: Use PM QoS requests Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-04  0:04 ` [PATCH 3/3] sh_mmcif " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-04 19:53 ` [PATCH 0/3] MMC / PM: Make it possible to use PM QoS latency constraints Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-04 19:55   ` [PATCH 1/3] MMC / PM: Make it possible to use PM QoS latency constraints, v2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-05  7:02     ` Linus Walleij
2012-03-06  9:34     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-03-06 21:06       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-04 19:56   ` [PATCH 2/3] tmio_mmc / PM: Use PM QoS requests, v2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-06  9:40     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-03-06 21:07       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-06 22:33         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-03-06 23:41           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-04 19:56   ` [PATCH 3/3] sh_mmcif " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-06  9:40     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-03-06 21:09       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-07 23:27   ` [PATCH 0/3] PM: Make it possible to expose PM QoS latency constraints Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-07 23:28     ` [PATCH 1/3] PM / QoS: " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08 17:49       ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-08 18:01         ` Mark Brown
2012-03-08 21:28           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08 21:23         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-03-08 21:27         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08 22:05           ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-08 22:37             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08 23:18               ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-08 23:30                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-09  1:02                   ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-09 15:17                     ` Alan Stern
2012-03-09 17:10                       ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-09 20:59                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-09 21:34                           ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-07 23:29     ` [PATCH 2/3] tmio_mmc / PM: Use PM QoS latency constraint Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08  8:02       ` Adrian Hunter
2012-03-08 21:29         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-07 23:30     ` [PATCH 3/3] sh_mmcif " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08 11:03       ` Mark Brown
2012-03-08 21:29         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08 23:00     ` [Update][PATCH 0/3] PM: Make it possible to expose PM QoS latency constraints Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08 23:01       ` [Update][PATCH 1/3] PM / QoS: " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-12 19:32         ` Linus Walleij
2012-03-13  0:02           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08 23:03       ` [Update][PATCH 2/3] tmio_mmc / PM: Use PM QoS latency constraint Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08 23:03       ` [Update][PATCH 3/3] sh_mmcif " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-10 21:14       ` [Update][PATCH 0/3] PM: Make it possible to expose PM QoS latency constraints Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-06 10:30 ` [PATCH 0/3] MMC / PM: Make it possible to use " Adrian Hunter
2012-03-06 13:39   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-03-06 21:14     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-07  8:31       ` Adrian Hunter [this message]
2012-03-07  9:05         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-07 19:38           ` Mark Brown
2012-03-07 20:38           ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-07 20:51             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-07 20:54               ` Mark Brown
2012-03-07 21:31                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-06 21:47   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-07  7:06     ` Adrian Hunter
2012-03-07  9:05       ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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