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From: Vladimir Zapolskiy <vladimir_zapolskiy@mentor.com>
To: Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
Cc: linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org,
	Ed Sutter <ed.sutter@alcatel-lucent.com>,
	Chris Ball <cjb@laptop.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mmc: sdhci: don't limit discard timeout by data line timeout
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:21:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <528F7670.9040101@mentor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <528F728D.3040004@intel.com>

On 22.11.2013 16:04, Adrian Hunter wrote:
> On 22/11/13 15:50, Vladimir Zapolskiy wrote:
>> On 22.11.2013 14:04, Adrian Hunter wrote:
>>> On 22/11/13 14:24, Vladimir Zapolskiy wrote:
>>>> On 22.11.2013 12:38, Adrian Hunter wrote:
>>>>> On 21/11/13 17:07, Vladimir Zapolskiy wrote:
>>>>>> JEDEC specification defines quite high erase timeout value for 300ms
>>>>>> multiplied by erase group number, and SD Host Controller specification
>>>>>> data line timeout may be much less, e.g. 2^13 / 52MHz ~ 160us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    From block layer and MMC perfromance perspective it is desirable that
>>>>>> millions of erase groups are discarded at once, so there is no much
>>>>>> sense to limit maximum erase timeout by data line timeout, if a
>>>>>> controller handles correctly erase operation without indication of
>>>>>> data line timeout.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you explain that some more.  Do you mean that:
>>>>>       a) it does not have a timeout
>>>>
>>>> JEDEC defines a timeout on erase/trim operations, also in
>>>> drivers/mmc/core/core.c
>>>> there is a reasonable enough 10 minutes limitation for discard operations.
>>>>
>>>>>       b) it has a timeout which is less than the timeout specified by the
>>>>> standard but the operation nevertheless completes
>>>>
>>>> SDHC data line timeout is enormously less than erase group timeout, and
>>>> trivial testing shows that those two timeouts are independent, probably
>>>> except some particular cases of controllers not known before commits
>>>> 58d1246db3 and e056a1b5b.
>>>>
>>>> According to the currently implemented logic, mmc_do_erase() commonly is
>>>> instructed to discard 1-2 erase groups at maximum, however it tends to be
>>>> capable to successfully discard millions of erase groups at once ignoring
>>>> that SDHC data line timeout limitation.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You seem to be trying to say that the SDHCI spec. says that the host
>>> controller does not timeout erase operations or uses a different timeout
>>> than the one programmed in the "Timeout Control Register".  Where is that is
>>> the SDHCI spec?
>>
>> According to the spec a host controller timeouts erase operations like any
>> other R1B command.
>>
>> So in your opinion, should there be SDHCI_QUIRK_BROKEN_TIMEOUT_VAL instead
>> of the new quirk?
>
> I don't understand how SDHCI_QUIRK_BROKEN_TIMEOUT_VAL would help.  It just
> sets the timeout to maximum but max_discard_to is the maximum timeout.

Here I meant to do something like:

	if (host->quirks & SDHCI_QUIRK_BROKEN_TIMEOUT_VAL)
		mmc->max_discard_to = 0;

Again I'm not sure that this applies well to all 
SDHCI_QUIRK_BROKEN_TIMEOUT_VAL
controllers, therefore a new quirk might be better.

> As I understand it you don't want to limit the discard size, either because
> your controller does not timeout, or because you are happy that the maximum
> timeout is enough for your users and their use-cases.
>
> If that is the case then the original patch just needs the quirk the other
> way around. i.e.
>
>      if (host->quirks2&  SDHCI_QUIRK2_NO_DISCARD_LIMIT)
>          mmc->max_discard_to = 0;
>      else
>          mmc->max_discard_to = (1<<  27) / host->timeout_clk;

This suits me fine, thanks for review, and I'll resend a change based on 
this.

Also I'd like to pay your attention to (1 << 27) / host->timeout_clk part of
calculation, following the spec it might be better to account the actual
value of Data Timeout Counter, otherwise a controller may get unintentional
Data Timeout Error pretty soon. Please correct me, if I'm mistaken here.

>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Potentially the change may break some of the SDHCs on discard of mmc,
>>>>>> and for backward compatibility a new quirk is introduced, which is NOT
>>>>>> set by default.
>>>>>
>>>>> It sounds to me that what you want to do is not standard so the quirk
>>>>> should
>>>>> be the other way around.
>>>>
>>>> Please take a look at commits 58d1246db3 and e056a1b5b, I'd be glad, if you
>>>> could elaborate to which "some host controllers" the quirk in my definition
>>>> applies, I believe all other host controllers present at that time in
>>>> drivers/mmc/host/* are capable to discard without introduced limitation.
>>>
>>> "some host controllers" == SDHCI i.e. to all of the ones you are applying
>>> the change.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Vladimir Zapolskiy<vladimir_zapolskiy@mentor.com>
>>>>>> Reported-by: Ed Sutter<ed.sutter@alcatel-lucent.com>
>>>>>> Cc: Chris Ball<cjb@laptop.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Adrian Hunter<adrian.hunter@intel.com>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>     drivers/mmc/host/sdhci.c  |    5 ++++-
>>>>>>     include/linux/mmc/sdhci.h |    1 +
>>>>>>     2 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> diff --git a/drivers/mmc/host/sdhci.c b/drivers/mmc/host/sdhci.c
>>>>>> index bd8a098..b1fdddb 100644
>>>>>> --- a/drivers/mmc/host/sdhci.c
>>>>>> +++ b/drivers/mmc/host/sdhci.c
>>>>>> @@ -2930,7 +2930,10 @@ int sdhci_add_host(struct sdhci_host *host)
>>>>>>         if (host->quirks&    SDHCI_QUIRK_DATA_TIMEOUT_USES_SDCLK)
>>>>>>             host->timeout_clk = mmc->f_max / 1000;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -    mmc->max_discard_to = (1<<    27) / host->timeout_clk;
>>>>>> +    if (host->quirks2&    SDHCI_QUIRK2_DATA_TIMEOUT_ON_DISCARD)
>>>>>> +        mmc->max_discard_to = (1<<    27) / host->timeout_clk;
>>>>>> +    else
>>>>>> +        mmc->max_discard_to = 0;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         mmc->caps |= MMC_CAP_SDIO_IRQ | MMC_CAP_ERASE | MMC_CAP_CMD23;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> diff --git a/include/linux/mmc/sdhci.h b/include/linux/mmc/sdhci.h
>>>>>> index 3e781b8..e7f6bd2 100644
>>>>>> --- a/include/linux/mmc/sdhci.h
>>>>>> +++ b/include/linux/mmc/sdhci.h
>>>>>> @@ -98,6 +98,7 @@ struct sdhci_host {
>>>>>>     #define SDHCI_QUIRK2_CARD_ON_NEEDS_BUS_ON        (1<<4)
>>>>>>     /* Controller has a non-standard host control register */
>>>>>>     #define SDHCI_QUIRK2_BROKEN_HOST_CONTROL        (1<<5)
>>>>>> +#define SDHCI_QUIRK2_DATA_TIMEOUT_ON_DISCARD        (1<<6)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         int irq;        /* Device IRQ */
>>>>>>         void __iomem *ioaddr;    /* Mapped address */
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-22 15:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-21 15:07 [PATCH] mmc: sdhci: don't limit discard timeout by data line timeout Vladimir Zapolskiy
2013-11-22 11:38 ` Adrian Hunter
2013-11-22 12:24   ` Vladimir Zapolskiy
2013-11-22 13:04     ` Adrian Hunter
2013-11-22 13:50       ` Vladimir Zapolskiy
2013-11-22 15:04         ` Adrian Hunter
2013-11-22 15:21           ` Vladimir Zapolskiy [this message]
2013-11-26  9:04             ` Adrian Hunter
2013-11-26 16:33               ` Vladimir Zapolskiy
2013-11-27  8:21                 ` Adrian Hunter
2013-11-27 14:57                   ` Vladimir Zapolskiy
2013-11-27 15:48                     ` Philip Rakity
2013-11-27 16:11                       ` Vladimir Zapolskiy
2013-11-28  7:12                     ` Adrian Hunter
2013-11-28 11:48                       ` Vladimir Zapolskiy
2013-11-28 13:06                         ` Adrian Hunter
2013-11-29  7:33                           ` Vladimir Zapolskiy
2013-11-25 18:20       ` Ed Sutter
2013-11-25 22:06         ` Vladimir Zapolskiy

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